In this follow-up to our first conversation, Leonard and Ava go deeper into the reality of navigating intimacy beyond traditional boundaries. From communication challenges to emotional maturity, from past wounds that shaped present desires to the empowerment that comes with choosing your own path—this episode unpacks it all.

Ava opens up about growing up in a strict, repressive Christian environment, and how exploring her sexuality as an adult has reshaped her sense of identity, agency, and womanhood. Leonard reflects on the early experiences that shaped his relationship with jealousy, desire, and power—revealing how something painful transformed into something erotic, intimate, and complex.

Together, they explore:

• Why empowerment looks different for different partners
• The role of age, grief, and self-reflection in seeking new experiences
• How communication actually works when desire moves outside the relationship
• Ways to avoid common pitfalls when exploring non-monogamy
• How emotional maturity (or a lack of it) can make or break these experiences
• The real power dynamics that live beneath fantasy and curiosity

Honest, messy, funny at times, and deeply human—this is an unfiltered look at what happens when partners confront their desires instead of hiding from them.

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