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Ever wondered why employees keep finding ways around your security controls? The answer might lie in how those controls are designed and implemented.
In this thought-provoking episode, we're joined by Matt Belanger, CIO of Republic Airways, to tackle one of cybersecurity's most persistent challenges: the friction between security requirements and user experience. When security measures become obstacles rather than enablers, "cyber erosion" occurs – users find workarounds that often create more risk than what you were trying to prevent in the first place.
Through candid stories from the corporate trenches, we explore common friction points: problematic MFA rollouts, alert fatigue, vague policies, and the blocking of useful tools like cloud storage and AI platforms. Matt shares how communication breakdowns during technology transitions led to adoption failures, while host Todd recalls field workers deliberately damaging devices they believed were tracking them – powerful examples of what happens when security ignores human factors.
The conversation shifts from problem to solution as we examine how design thinking principles can transform security implementations. Matt advocates for extending expectations of cyber professionals beyond technical expertise to include empathy and communication skills. As he powerfully states: "So often you hear about the trade-off... Do we want to make this secure or do we want to make this easy to use? And the answer is yes – it is a requirement to both be secure and easy to use."
Ready to build security that people actually want to use? Listen now and discover why sometimes you need to slow down to ultimately secure your organization faster.

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