Andrew saw Saturn through a telescope and launched MetaMonster's new UI, but users won't activate! 🔭 Getting 1-2 daily signups with zero engagement while testing Phantom Buster for LinkedIn scraping. Sean presents his Michelin star agency framework and they debate reviving Chart Juice as a ChatGPT app. Plus: why web design agencies might be better customers than SEO agencies.

Links:

• Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskins
• Andrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/
• MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/
• Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsun
• Miscreants: http://miscreants.com/
• Margins: http://margins.so/
• Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/

For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/.

Transcript:
00:01.07
Sean
Howdy.

00:02.27
Andrew
Hi, hi, hi.

00:03.52
Sean
and We've had so many false starts of season four, think.

00:08.60
Andrew
Yeah, is this not season eight? I thought we were on season eight now.

00:11.73
Sean
You're right, you're right, you're right. It was a limited series for the first but past four seasons.

00:16.07
Andrew
One, two episodes.

00:17.93
Sean
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like those those like which TV shows did in the middle of COVID, and you know? It's like, yeah, season's over. We'll just, yeah.

00:25.89
Andrew
Yeah. I feel like I haven't talked to you in forever, and you're... so busy now that you don't even respond to my slack messages

00:35.68
Sean
Sorry. Hold on. I don't like that you said those things together because you made it sound like I'm the reason we haven't talked in forever.

00:43.15
Andrew
you are no no no it's like 25 true i was gallivanting in the woods for two weeks so i was away from atlanta for a month uh i was

00:43.93
Sean
which Which is 75% true. didn't realize you were going for two weeks. I thought you were and that you're only... how How was it? Whoa.

00:59.42
Sean
well

01:00.47
Andrew
Yeah, I went in cat sit for my parents for a week. I went to Washington for two weeks, hung out with friends, went backpacking, then rented a car and drove around the Olympic Peninsula by myself, which was fucking awesome.

01:13.33
Sean
Nice.

01:14.15
Andrew
Jumped in the Pacific Ocean, jumped in Alpine Lake, climbed some sketchy mountains, saw a ton of beautiful views, walked in the rainforest, saw Saturn through a telescope.

01:25.43
Sean
Whoa. Whoa.

01:26.43
Andrew
It was, yeah!

01:26.92
Sean
What?

01:28.38
Andrew
I feel like that's the one I always mention last, and that's the one that people get most excited about.

01:28.45
Sean
You've been like on

01:32.82
Sean
Yeah. You've had like a whole secret life of Walter Mini situation in the past.

01:33.96
Andrew
One night, dude, it was great.

01:37.56
Sean
Uh-huh.

01:38.45
Andrew
I made a friend hiking down a trail one day, and she was telling me that she'd just come from this campsite and was checking the little board at the campsite and saw that the rangers were doing a telescope night.

01:51.67
Sean
Right.

01:51.74
Andrew
And so she said it was great. It was super fun. So I went and stayed at that campsite the next night. and they were doing it again and it was awesome there were like 50 or 60 people who drove up to the top of the mountain and parked and were just like walking around in the dark because you can't have white light it ruins the ability to see through the the telescope and everything it you know dampens your night vision so there were like 50 or 60 strangers

02:11.72
Sean
right

02:19.55
Andrew
milling around in the dark, just quietly chatting with each other, waiting in lines to look through telescopes. And they had four huge telescopes trained at different things in the night sky. And one of the things we got to see was Saturn.

02:31.90
Andrew
It was like a little little tiny little tiny Saturn. it was you know these These telescopes were not big enough to blow it up. yeah We weren't looking through the James Webb Space Telescope, but it was still really cool.

02:39.31
Sean
Sure.

02:42.07
Sean
Right.

02:43.74
Andrew
You could see the rings.

02:43.91
Sean
Yeah.

02:44.78
Andrew
It's like, holy shit, that's planet.

02:45.19
Sean
Whoa.

02:48.54
Sean
Cool. Nice.

02:49.75
Andrew
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. And then I was in San Diego for a week. So fully, fully my fault. there's There's at least a month in there that was fully my fault.

03:01.06
Andrew
I'd had kind of aspirations of like, maybe I'll drive to a coffee shop and we should do like a podcast episode from a coffee shop on the Olympic Peninsula.

03:01.41
Sean
Okay.

03:10.62
Andrew
And yeah, no way that was happening.

03:13.08
Sean
we can We can split it fifty fifty It's both our faults.

03:17.92
Sean
That's cool. You ever think about like how like crazy it is that when human... like you know I understand, like okay, like you're like, oh, hey, there are things in the sky. I want to go look at things in the sky and tell magnifying glass exists. We keep stacking them. We can start to see things in the sky.

03:33.30
Sean
And then just like the realization of, like oh, shit, there's more like giant balls of things out there.

03:40.80
Andrew
The thing that the always gets me is when I start thinking about how you're looking back in time because of how light travels and everything.

03:50.64
Sean
Right, right, right.

03:52.07
Andrew
you Light can only travel so fast. And so when something's 100 light years away, And you're seeing it. You're literally looking back in time 100 years.

04:04.85
Sean
Yeah, that doesn't make sense in my head.

04:06.99
Andrew
It's fucking batshit.

04:07.19
Sean
But yeah, that is pretty cool.

04:08.39
Andrew
It's so cool. Space is wild.

04:12.38
Sean
Yeah, yeah.

04:12.59
Andrew
Hot take.

04:13.39
Sean
Physics is...

04:16.09
Andrew
The coldest take possible.

04:16.81
Sean
physics Physics is so is wild.

04:20.00
Andrew
Yeah.

04:22.19
Sean
Anyway, how doing?

04:23.62
Andrew
How...

04:23.84
Sean
How's it been?

04:25.86
Andrew
uh how am i doing but but good and bad and medium and all the things uh the hiking and being in the woods was fantastic brighton seo was a lot of fun i made a bunch of new seo friends uh there were a couple of times where i didn't

04:33.18
Sean
Okay.

04:48.95
Andrew
want to be an extrovert. I didn't want to talk to strangers and I made myself do it and i had a lot of fun doing it and yeah, mean made a bunch of friends. Hasn't turned into leads or customers yet, which is to be expected.

05:05.80
Andrew
you know I wasn't really going there expecting this time to get a bunch of customers. It was more about let me build relationships, let me make friends because then

05:12.14
Sean
Sorry.

05:18.01
Andrew
you know, those are more, those are people I can lean on to amplify content a...