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In this episode, Shanti Joy Gold (she/her) sits down with chef Anita Lo (she/her), a gay, Asian, gender-nonconforming woman, Michelin-starred culinary innovator, Food Network competitor, and pioneer in contemporary-American cuisine. Anita reflects on growing up as a person of color and outsider in the Midwest: the taunts she endured, the resilience they fueled, and what it means to succeed on her own terms in an industry eager to define her. She shares how kitchens became a place of belonging despite their relentless pace and demands, and how her intersectional identity shaped her approach to her culinary journey. The conversation closes with the Thrive Takeaway: be tenacious, believe in yourself, and keep moving toward what makes you happy.
Anita Lo is a multiple-award-winning chef, restaurateur, cookbook author - and the first female chef to collaborate on a White House State Dinner. She is currently the Culinary Director of Stylus, a private club on the Lower East Side dedicated to the ephemeral arts (opening early 2026). She also hosts culinary tours around the world with Tour De Forks, a luxury travel company specializing in custom-designed epicurean adventures.
Shanti Joy Gold is a professional coach, 30-year corporate warrior and member of the LGBTQIA+ community. She understands the unique challenges faced by those who feel like outsiders and, as an executive coach, guides underrepresented people to confidently thrive in their careers by being fully themselves.
👉 Try Shanti’s free Thriving Assessment to get instant clarity on where you’re excelling - and where you can increase fulfillment, joy, and impact: shantijoygold.com/take-the-thriving-assessment
Other stories shared by Anita and Shanti at the campfire:
- Recounting Anita’s sweltering first kitchen job, where illness and exhaustion gave way to the realization she was exactly where she wanted to be.
- Taking the leap to open the award-winning restaurant, Annisa - and why creative freedom outweighed stability.
- Reflecting on the joy and focus found in the “Tetris rhythm” of the kitchen line.
- Sharing Anita’s quirky passions - from mushroom foraging to unicycling - that fuel her artistry and joy.
Thank you for listening! Tune in to all episodes for real stories and practical insights on navigating your career as an outsider - and on the impact of allyship. Don’t forget to follow, rate, and review the podcast!
Learn more about the Stories We Haven’t Shared podcast at storieswehaventshared.com
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Chapters
1. Introduction and Welcome (00:00:00)
2. Current Professional Highlights (00:03:25)
3. Personal Interests and Hobbies (00:04:55)
4. Anita's Intersectionality (00:06:17)
5. Early Career Memory in a Professional Kitchen: A Grueling Heatwave and Finding Her People (00:07:18)
6. Growing Up in the Midwest as an Outsider: Taunts, Trauma, and the Push to Excel (00:10:06)
7. Making Her Way as a Female Chef in the Male-Dominated Culinary World (00:12:38)
8. Opening Her World-Renowned Restaurant, Annisa: Trading Stability for Creative Freedom (00:13:46)
9. Anita's Culinary Choices: Showcasing Intersectionality and Transcending Others' Assumptions (00:15:11)
10. The Chaos of the Kitchen and Why She Loves It (00:19:15)
11. Thrive Takeaway: Believe in Self, Keep Moving, Focus on Happiness (00:21:32)
12. Music Share: A Taste of Soulful Hope (00:23:45)
13. Where to Find and Connect with Anita (00:24:49)
14. Thank You and Final Thoughts (00:27:02)
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