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Antifragile is more than a buzzword—it’s a design principle.
In this episode of Strategy Meets Reality, Mike Jones sits down with Janka Krings-Klebe—author of The Antifragile Organization—to explore what it means to design organisations that thrive under stress. They unpack why most governance systems constrain innovation, how financial incentives can block adaptability, and why autonomy and accountability must go hand in hand.
From ecosystem design to cultural enablers, this is a practical look at what it takes to shift from hierarchies to ecosystems—where learning, change, and resilience are not afterthoughts, but built into the DNA.
🔍 In this episode:
- Why fragility is baked into most governance and budgeting models
- How antifragile organisations navigate market disruption
- Designing autonomy and accountability together
- What value stream thinking means in practice
- The role of learning, culture, and failure in adaptability
- Why the shift is from stability to direction, not control
🎧 Keywords: Antifragility, ecosystem organisation, governance, budgeting, innovation, adaptability, autonomy, learning, organisational design
📘 Learn more about Janka’s work: https://www.co-shift.com/
📕 Read her book: The Antifragile Organization (Amazon)
📬 Connect with Janka: LinkedIn
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💬 Connect with host Mike Jones → https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-h-jones/
Chapters
1. Introduction to Antifragile Organizations (00:00:00)
2. Understanding Antifragility in Organizations (00:03:13)
3. Challenges in Transitioning to Antifragile Structures (00:06:13)
4. The Role of Governance and Incentives (00:10:16)
5. Innovative Budgeting and Financial Flexibility (00:18:26)
6. Autonomy and Accountability in Teams (00:24:13)
7. The Importance of Autonomous Teams (00:27:27)
8. Learning from Failure and Disruption (00:29:24)
9. Designing Value Streams and Governance (00:31:38)
10. The Shift from Stability to Agility (00:35:14)
11. Recognizing Market Dynamics and Consumer Behavior (00:38:30)
12. Facilitating Innovation and Adaptability (00:41:12)
13. The Role of Culture in Innovation (00:44:49)
14. Embracing Change in a Complex Environment (00:49:23)
15. Outro (00:52:06)
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