💰 Everyone’s talking about climate ambition. But who’s designing the systems to actually deliver it?
In this episode of Sustainability Wired, Lorenzo Saa speaks with Dan Ioschpe, Brazil’s Climate High-Level Champion for COP30. Drawing from decades in the private sector, Dan outlines how COP30 is being shaped not by slogans or new pledges—but by a detailed, globally coordinated architecture for action.
From financing roadmaps and carbon market regulation to the Tropical Forest Forever Fund, Dan breaks down the concrete mechanisms being built to turn climate goals into scalable outcomes. He also shares what this means for institutional investors—and why now is the time to engage, not retreat.
They explore:
✅ The three biggest financial outcomes to watch at COP30
✅ Why Brazil isn’t proposing new pledges—and how that enables real progress
✅ How the Action Agenda is built around 30 clear objectives, not abstract commitments
✅ What makes the Tropical Forest Forever Fund (TFF) different from traditional climate finance
✅ Why AI and data infrastructure will be critical to emerging market transition pathways
Key Moments:
00:00 - Introduction
01:56 - Dan’s private-sector background and how he became a COP30 Climate Champion
04:44 - What the High-Level Champion actually does and why it matters
07:46 - Is COP still useful after 30 years?
09:56 - What investors should and shouldn’t expect from COP30
14:17 - Climate finance: roadmap to $1.3T, carbon credits, and the TFF
17:58 - How the TFF ties forest preservation to long-term funding
20:13 - Why COP30 will focus on existing initiatives, not new pledges
26:42 - Should investors attend COP30?
31:39 - The role of AI and Infrastructure in Brazil’s Climate Strategy
35:50 - Why continuity—not headlines—is the biggest potential win of COP30
37:08 - The art of sustainability
38:07 - Rapid fire questions
40:53 - Closing statements
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