This week on The Awareness Angle Interviews… Anthony sits down with Terry McCorkle, co-founder of PhishCloud, to rethink everything you think you know about phishing training. From military discipline to startup innovation, Terry brings decades of experience—and strong opinions—on what’s broken in phishing awareness, and how real-time data and human-first thinking can fix it.🐟 Why Phishing Simulations Miss the Mark – Terry explains how traditional simulations often create resentment, not resilience, and what a more thoughtful approach looks like.📡 The Power of Real-Time Data – Static reports don’t cut it. Terry breaks down how live metrics and immediate feedback can make awareness training actually stick.🧠 Users Are Not the Problem – It's time to stop blaming the human. We talk about how involving users in the solution builds stronger defenses and better culture.💡 PhishCloud’s Fresh Take – From just-in-time training to behavioural insights, Terry walks us through how his platform flips phishing awareness on its head.🎮 Gamified, Personalised, Seamless – Why training that’s fun, tailored, and delivered in the moment beats compliance tick-boxes every time.🔄 Test the Process, Not Just the People – Phishing attacks test systems too. Terry shares why focusing only on individual clicks misses the bigger risk.🤖 AI Meets Awareness – How automation, workflow integration, and smarter tooling can enhance—not replace—the human role in security.🏗️ Culture Change Over Compliance – We unpack how to build a learning culture that sees awareness as part of everyday work, not an annual chore.Whether you’re rethinking your phishing program or just tired of gotcha-style training, this conversation offers practical insights with real impact.The Awareness Angle: Interviews brings you candid, real-world conversations with the people transforming how we approach security, behavior, and risk. New interviews drop alongside our Thursday episodes.

🕒 Timestamps

00:00 Episode Introduction

03:03 How Phishing Simulations Impact Behavior

06:13 Terry’s Path into Cybersecurity

09:06 Why the Human Element Still Matters

12:12 Inside FishCloud’s Approach

15:05 Real-Time Protection Against Phishing

17:58 What User Behavior Reveals

20:50 Balancing Privacy in Phishing Tools

27:51 Smarter Security Awareness Training

30:01 Making Compliance Training Engaging

33:03 From Reactive to Proactive Phishing Defense

36:29 How AI is Enhancing Security

39:14 Tackling Human Risk in Cyber

43:29 Building a Security-First Culture

46:20 Military Experience in Cyber Careers

48:10 Learning Resources & Recommendations

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