In this episode, the host’s guest is Don Jones, a human potential architect and experiential learning pioneer who has designed immersive behavioral simulations for more than 40,000 leaders in over 70 countries. The conversation delves into the concept of “Human Potential Architecture” and how organizational systems, culture, processes, and structure, either amplify or suppress individual and team potential. Don explains why most companies remain stuck in an industrial-era model, limiting agility and engagement, and outlines how immersive simulations (like Mission Possible) allow leaders to confront real-world challenges in a safe yet high-stress environment. They discuss the pitfalls of large-scale technology transformations that overlook employee insights, the importance of reducing friction between insight and impact, and why AI can’t replace a thriving, well-architected human workforce.

Through real-life examples, from a Fortune 500 tech-upgrade that wasted over a billion dollars when employees were excluded, to the transformational story of a public utility that used simulation to rewire its culture, listeners hear practical lessons on redesigning systems to unlock creativity and adaptability. Don also shares a powerful vision for re-centering humanity in the age of AI by “putting Marissa on Time Magazine’s cover” as a metaphor for valuing every person’s innate brilliance. This episode challenges executives to rethink governance, job design, and leadership frameworks to create environments where people thrive rather than simply execute.

About the Guest:
Don Jones is the founder and chief experience designer at Experience It, Inc., where he has spent over three decades crafting story-driven behavioral simulations and distributed immersive reality experiences for clients such as Boeing, Microsoft, Cisco, and American Express. He is the author of the forthcoming book The Architectural Potential, a researcher on organizational design, and a sought-after speaker on human potential, leadership, and experiential learning.

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Contact Munir Haque | ActionEdge Executive Development:
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Contact Don Jones:
Website: ExperienceIt.com

Podcast Production:
Recording: PushySix Studios

Transcript:

Today on the Boardroom 180 podcast, I'm joined by Don Jones, a pioneer in experimental learning and human potential design. For over three decades, Don has been crafting immersive story-driven behavioral simulations that have transformed leadership development across the globe. He's the founder and chief experience designer at Experience It, Inc.

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And he's a thought leader, author, and keynote speaker whose work has shaped how Fortune 500 companies think about human systems and transformation.(...) Don, welcome to the show.

(...) Thanks so much, Manera. It's a pleasure to be here. I appreciate meeting you and the team actually.

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Well, thanks. You know, I, you know, as I often do with previous guests, I reach out and ask who they, who would they suggest? And, you know, your recommendation came from Phil DeMont.(...) You know, he's episode, I think he's episode 16.

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And, you know, Phil's a freelance broadcast journalist. In fact, I actually heard him on the radio this morning. So did I. Talking about Tesla sales and Fortnite, yeah. Okay, heard him this morning.

He does a very nice job of that. I listened this morning as well.

Yeah.

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And what he, he said two things about you. He said, reading it verbatim, really smart, dot, dot, dot. Also world ranked sailor.(...) So like Phil, I kept your introduction relatively short. And I thought I would let you unpack it a little bit. I mean, maybe that maybe to kind of lead off what I want you unpack is I went to LinkedIn and I looked at, you know, essentially what your profile tag is, or, you know, kind of the description that you use right at the top of the page. And it says,

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human potential architect, 30 years creating behavioral learning simulations and distributed immersive reality experiences for global clients. So there's a bit to unpack there for those of us who, you know, don't understand all the lingo here. Sure. So, I mean, the question is like,

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what's that mean?

(...) Sure. First of all,(...) yes, Phil's a long time friend of mine and we used to play a lot of basketball together. And I do not sail at all, zero.

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Would like to. So I am not, I am neither a world-class sailor or really smart. So I would like to be one of those, but let's just start base level.

He never said you were highly ranked. He just said you were ranked, maybe you're ranked at the bottom.

Yeah, listen,

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I really loved basketball, played it a lot of my life, worked for Canvas Olympic teams, did a lot of stuff that was interesting before I started my company. But to your great question, what does all that jargon mean on LinkedIn, human potential architect? You don't hear that every day. And honestly, I started my business over three decades ago. And I always cared deeply about human potential, whether it was kids, you know, doing well in school, or people starting their own business, or me developing my own potential in what I wanted to do. And I started a company to design behavioral simulations. And that took off and we ended up working in 40 countries digitally,

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physically, and then 70 plus countries digitally, working with Fortune 500 companies like Boeing, GE, Microsoft, Cisco, American Express, and others.

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And we designed behavioral simulations that allow people to see their own behavior and grow and develop.

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But over the years, I realized, well, what's the core of what it is that I care about and that I am trying to in some way improve my craft around? And it was around human potential. But the reason I developed the idea of human protection architecture, which my book is called "The Architectural Potential" that I'm writing right now,

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and have been researching and will talk about,

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is that I always used to think as human potential as individual, Manir, like you have a number of kids and you want them to develop their potential. And we want them to have the will to do that, the security to grow and develop. But also, as I've grown older and been around this profession a long time, I realized the architecture matters. And one of the basic premises of my research is that architecture is never neutral.(...) It's either amplifying or suppressing your potential.

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And so I realized that the architecture of potential is a great determinant of many people's success. Yes, we need individual initiative, absolutely. And I admire that more than talent, actually. But we also need an architecture. And what is architecture from my perspective?(...) Well, architecture, let's say in the workplace, are the systems, the processes, the culture, the environment that you're in, is the architecture. And it's either amplifying your potential, you individually or your team's potential collectively, or the organization collectively, or it's suppressing it. And quite honestly, my research says the organizations today are mostly suppressing it. They've never been set up, designed for the amplification of human potential. They've been set up really an industrial era model.

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That it was always designed to limit potential, keep you in a box and stay within a cogs relationship to other cogs to make the whole machine work. W...