We are joined by the co-hosts of the popular Baptist NZ podcast ‘Biblical insights: The gospel and the land of the Bible’, who unpack their own journeys exploring the topic of Zionism. They discuss how a particular theological line of thinking and way of interpreting the Bible results in the justification of human suffering. In this challenging and personal conversation, they invite us to think beyond what might have been understood from the past to find God who “is on the side of suffering humanity.”