Episode 009 An Advent Carol 4: Ghost of Xmas Yet to Come, Truman's take, and how to save the church by losing it

This week, the final week of Advent, we conclude our Advent podcast theme: Scrooge and the Church.
Truman returns with expert 4 year old knowledge (that isn't sarcasm) about death and rebirth and why people and systems die spiritually ("If he doesn't be a good Scrooge, he will die"). We talk about some of the discussions we have with our friends still in the church, our "True Believer" friends as we like to call them. Joshua confesses how he labels "the church" unfairly sometimes because it's far easier than the hard work of nuance (but also more pointed). Wendy challenges Joshua on the notion that churches or denominations are movers and shakers for justice and peace and makes the case that it is really passionate individuals that get made into poster children (or get quietly tucked away, depending on the situation). We discuss why denominations don't matter, why Christmas still does, and why death is the true hope of the church that wants new birth.