Lesley Jones never had the dramatic “rock bottom” people expect. No arrests, no lost job, no catastrophic implosion. Instead, she lived with the quiet, relentless hum of anxiety and the mental gymnastics of someone who intuitively knew alcohol worked a little too well. As a high-achieving oldest daughter, state-champion athlete, and lifelong perfectionist, she learned early how to drink with precision to silence the internal buzz of fear and pressure.

In this conversation, Lesley shares what most people never talk about: the early-stage progression of alcohol use, the mental toll of constantly negotiating with yourself, and the moment she realized she didn’t need to lose everything to decide she was done rolling the dice. She breaks down how she got sober in her late twenties, what actually shifted, how motherhood reshaped her awareness, and the internal “fan noise” that finally pushed her toward change.

We also dig into the difference between abstinence and recovery, parenting with a program, why “mommy wine culture” is a trap, the slow creep from control to obsession, and how she built a sober life she’s proud of — including a beautiful company, Traveling Pendants, dedicated to passing on strength through shared stories.

This episode is a lifeline for anyone who’s ever quietly wondered, “Is this getting a little too loud?” You do not need a spectacular bottom to choose a better life.

What The Listener Will Learn

• How early-stage alcohol use disorder shows up long before obvious consequences
• Why anxiety, perfectionism, and “oldest daughter energy” often drive early drinking patterns
• How mommy-wine culture quietly normalizes dependency
• How the mental load of drinking becomes its own problem
• The difference between simply not drinking and actually being in recovery
• Why intuition is often the first, most accurate warning sign
• How to recognize the internal “fan noise” that signals addiction creeping in
• What it looks like to get sober without hitting a dramatic bottom
• Practical tools for staying sober in social and family environments
• How working a recovery program can shift the way you parent
• Why community and accountability are critical in early sobriety
• How Lesley’s Traveling Pendants project uses shared storytelling to give people strength

• High-functioning alcoholism and its invisible progression
• Anxiety, control, and self-medication
• The myth of the rock bottom
• Early intervention and choosing sobriety before major loss
• Motherhood, drinking culture, and social normalization
• The psychological burden of planning drinking
• Why people quit long before the big consequences
• Emotional and spiritual transformation through recovery
• Community, sponsorship, and accountability
• Repair, amends, and healthier family dynamics
• Storytelling as connection
• Passing strength forward through shared experience