In this episode of The Courage to Live Podcast, Jenna and I talk through the recent attack at an LDS church in Michigan and what leaders, congregations, and first responders can learn from it. We recap a busy release week, then walk through why lived operational experience matters alongside academic expertise, and how that shows up in real decisions under pressure.

We cover the early chaos of an attack, the two priorities that should drive response neutralize the suspect and get medical to victims, and why mindset training matters as much as tactics. We also dig into practical steps for houses of worship and other public places, including leadership preparation, clear procedures, building hardening, and the role of trained, visible security. Finally, we talk about community healing, caring for victims and families, and keeping people safe without living in fear.

If your congregation or organization wants help building a plan or training your team, reach out and we can talk through options.