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Pastor Brian Zahnd joins Johnny Ova to unpack what he calls the kaleidoscopic cross, a bold, multi-layered view of the crucifixion that challenges everything you thought you knew.
In this episode, we dive into:
- Why the cross can’t be reduced to one meaning
- The problem with penal substitution and transactional theology
- How art, poetry, and ancient voices unlock new angles of the cross
- Why Christian nationalism distorts the gospel
- How the cross shapes the way we live, not just what we believe
This is a powerful conversation that connects theology, justice, beauty, and mystery, all through the lens of the crucifixion.
📖 Grab Brian Zahnd’s book: The Wood Between the Worlds
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🎧 Listen to the full podcast on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you tune in.
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Visit Pastor Johnny's Long Island Church, Sound of Heaven
Chapters
1. Intro (00:00:00)
2. What the Cross Really Means: Beyond One Theory (00:03:00)
3. How Brian’s View of the Cross Has Changed (00:10:00)
4. The Power of Art, Poetry, and the Prophetic Imagination (00:15:00)
5. A 500-Mile Meditation: The Camino and the Crucifixion (00:20:00)
6. Learning from the Church Fathers and Global Traditions (00:25:00)
7. The Cross vs. Christian Nationalism (00:30:00)
8. The Mystery at the Center of Christian Faith (00:35:00)
9. How to Turn the Kaleidoscope in Your Own Walk (00:40:00)
10. A Wrecking Revelation and Final Thoughts (00:43:00)
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