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If God has always looked like Jesus, what does that mean for how we understand wrath, judgment, and justice? What do we do with the violence in the Old Testament, or the warnings of hell in the New?
In this powerful and eye-opening episode, Dr. Brad Jersak joins Johnny Ova for a deeply theological yet pastoral conversation on one of the most urgent questions of our time: What is God really like?
Together, they explore:
- Why Brad believes Jesus (especially crucified) is the full and final revelation of God’s nature
- How this reshapes the way we interpret divine wrath, judgment, and Old Testament violence
- Whether the doctrine of eternal conscious torment fits the character of a Christlike God
- How to read Scripture through the lens of Jesus, rather than flattening all parts of the Bible equally
- Why many traditional views of justice fail to reflect the restoration, mercy, and nonviolence revealed in Christ
Johnny and Brad dig in with honesty, humility, and a shared passion for helping believers rediscover the God who is love, not abstractly, but as revealed in Jesus crucified and risen.
If you've ever wrestled with difficult portrayals of God in Scripture or longed to reconcile the Bible’s harshest passages with the kindness of Christ… this episode is for you.
🔗 Explore Brad Jersak’s Work:
- 📚 A More Christlike God
- 📚 Her Gates Will Never Be Shut
- 📚 A More Christlike Word
- 📚 Can You Hear Me?
- 🎓 Brad’s University (SSU)
🎧 Listen + Subscribe to The Dig In Podcast:
#BradJersak #DigInPodcast #ChristlikeGod #JesusIsTheLens #Deconstruction #Wrath #Hell #Judgment #TheologyPodcast #Christianity #BibleStudy #OldTestamentViolence
Chapters
1. Introduction to the Conversation (00:00:00)
2. Understanding the God of the Old vs. New Testament (00:01:11)
3. The Comfort of an Angry God (00:03:40)
4. The Emotional Cost of Believing in a Violent God (00:06:54)
5. Projecting Human Relationships onto God (00:09:35)
6. The Bible vs. the God of the Bible (00:13:13)
7. Reading the Old Testament through Jesus (00:14:05)
8. Prefiguring Christ in the Old Testament (00:19:37)
9. Wrath as Divine Permission vs. Punishment (00:25:17)
10. The Nature of Consent and Sacrifice (00:30:48)
11. Understanding the Crucifixion and Resurrection (00:32:05)
12. Exploring the Concept of Hell (00:34:59)
13. Final Judgment and Restorative Justice (00:41:11)
14. Preaching the Gospel of Relationship (00:44:59)
15. Love, Accountability, and Healing (00:47:38)
16. Signs of a Christ-like God Beyond Christianity (00:49:40)
17. God's Non-Angry Nature and Redemption (00:51:59)
18. Power and Control in the Character of Jesus (00:53:21)
19. The Transformative Power of a Christ-like God (00:57:02)
20. Opportunities for Learning and Growth (01:00:51)
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