In this episode of the Duct Tape Marketing Podcast, we explore how small businesses can use AI to convert more leads while reclaiming precious time. John Jantsch talks with Rainmaker CEO Joe Gagnon about AI-native sales workflows, 24/7 phone agents, and why automation doesn't have to feel inauthentic. Together they break down how AI can improve inbound conversations, overcome objections, and deliver more predictable growth. Learn how AI tools that help small business owners save time can also create better customer experiences and streamline every step of the sales journey.

Today we discussed:

00:00 Introduction 00:33 Welcome Joe Gagnon 00:57 Reinventing Small Biz Sales 02:41 AI-Native Sales Platform 04:23 Pricing & Access 07:16 Support Challenges 08:34 Sales Meets Support 10:09 Personalization Power 13:26 Customer Use Cases 15:09 Ethics & Constitution 18:06 Getting Started 20:21 Future Outlook

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