Exponential Growth with Salim Ismail

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This week on The Evolving Leader podcast, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender spend an hour with Salim Ismail. In 2011, Salim Ismail co-wrote ‘Exponential Organizations’, a book that has since been widely read by CEOs who are looking for a new way to navigate uncertainty and embrace disruptive technologies and business models. In 2023 Salim and his co-authors updated the book and during this conversation he talks to Jean and Scott about ‘Exponential Organizations ExO 2.0’.

Salim is also the founder and chairman of OpenExO which helps companies implement the ExO playbook. He is a serial entrepreneur, the Founding Executive Director of Singularity University and serves on the board of the XPRIZE Foundation, and all of that is really just scratching the surface as to the work that Salim Ismail is part of.

Topics covered during this conversation include:

Core Principles of Exponential Organizations
The Exponential Mind Map and Hyper Scaling
Challenges and Successes in Adopting Exponential Organizations
The Role of Purpose in Exponential Organizations
The Impact of AI on Organizations
Navigating the Unknown and Embracing Technology
The Future of Leadership and Institutional Evolution
Referenced during this episode:

https://salimismail.com/

Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:
Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)
The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)
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Chapters

1. Introduction (00:00:00)

2. What are the core principles of exponential organizations? (00:03:38)

3. What’s the origin story behind the ExO mindmap? (00:06:01)

4. Since Exponential Organizations was first published, a lot has changed, particularly the sheer speed at which new players are getting to scale. Can you bring this life for us? (00:08:15)

5. What challenges do you face when encouraging organizations to adopt the playbook? (00:10:48)

6. You mention that MBAs around the world are not taking on the ExO playbook. (00:14:34)

7. Can we talk about embracing a non-linear approach and what that means to our conventional ways of thinking and structuring organisations? (00:16:02)

8. What does a CEO need to do to shift from a conventional linear organization to this ecosystem approach? (00:19:34)

9. Can we talk about what an MTP is, and the value it enables? (00:26:01)

10. How is/will AI change your work? (00:29:07)

11. As AI comes into more of our lives, what do organizations need to do to ensure that people are not pushed down into serving the technology? (00:32:09)

12. How do you help an organization have a tolerance for the unknown with an optimism for what might be possible in adopting these principles? (00:34:08)

13. What is on the horizon for you right now? What are you excited about in terms of trying to bring more of the thinking here to the wider world? (00:37:13)

14. Can you give us your insights into how our institutions need to evolve? (00:42:08)

15. If you were sitting down with a CEO new to the ExO playbook, what would you advise them to do to start thinking about taking the first steps? (00:47:04)

16. If you were sitting down with a young person and they were asking you for advice about how to think about the future, where would you start that conversation? (00:48:20)

17. What haven’t we talked about that’s really important to you? (00:50:35)

18. What’s the mindset that you struggle most with? (00:52:47)

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