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In this thought-provoking episode of The Evolving Leader, hosts Jean Gomes and Scott Allender talk with Dr Christine Rosen, senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and author of The Extinction of Experience. The conversation examines how our growing dependence on technology is subtly reshaping what it means to be human, thinning our attention, dulling empathy, and changing how we connect and make sense of the world. Drawing on history, neuroscience and cultural observation, Christine invites us to pause and consider what is the true cost of convenience, and how do we reclaim our embodied authentic experience in a digital world?

For leaders, this conversation is a wake-up call. As AI accelerates and organisations seek ever greater efficiency, Rosen argues that the future advantage will belong to those who can cultivate distinctly human capacities, presence, curiosity, and discernment. Her insights challenge us to create workplaces that strengthen, rather than outsource, our humanity.

Further materials from Christine Rosen:

‘The Extinction Of Experience’ (Jan, 2025)

Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender:

Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023)

The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023)

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Chapters

1. Introduction (00:00:00)

2. What do you mean by the extinction of experience? (00:03:00)

3. Was there a moment when you thought, ‘I need to write this book’? (00:04:35)

4. What is it the leaves people willing to give up on human interaction in favour of their devices? (00:06:59)

5. For someone at the start of their life, knowing that AI is going to automate a lot of things, how can we prevent ourselves from being less and instead become more? (00:09:21)

6. What are the detrimental impacts on wellbeing? (00:12:32)

7. How is this reshaping our mind? (00:15:05)

8. What is different about this moment in time? (00:17:28)

9. Can you talk to us about how you are thinking about AI both in terms of your own use and in your work. (00:20:05)

10. What should leaders of organisations be thinking about in terms of ethics? (00:22:59)

11. Many people will find their role at work and the resulting demands that are placed on them change. What advice can you give those people so they succeed in that world? (00:25:37)

12. What surprised you the most during your research? (00:28:48)

13. The Amish use a value driven filter for new technology. While a modern organisation couldn’t go back to that world, what lessons can they draw practically from that approach? (00:31:12)

14. How are you seeing this in the world of academia? (00:33:55)

15. What are some tips that you can give to a leader to help their people pull away from the habits of unnecessary device use? (00:36:01)

16. What do you do to build this presence in the world, to build our experience so it’s richer? (00:39:54)

17. How else might we combat the habit? (00:42:54)

18. Creativity and artists. (00:45:12)

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