Supreme Court, Trade Tariffs, and the Stagnant Order. Alan Tonelson discusses a Supreme Court case challenging the president's tariff powers (the "Liberation Day tariffs"), which he expects the administration to win. Tonelson cites historical deference to presidential foreign policy power and the president's authority to use other well-established tariffing measures, calling arguments against his powers "legally ignorant." The conversation also explores Michael Beckley's theory of a "stagnant order" among superpowers, leading them to act parasitically or defensively. Tonelson disagrees with the stagnation premise for the US, anticipating a major productivity boom thanks to artificial intelligence.