In this episode, we hear from Eric, a Youth Pastor, and Will, the son of a pastor training for ministry. Listen as we discuss ways of thinking about missional ministry, family systems theory, youth discipleship, how pastors pursuing spiritual formation can use the counseling concepts of differentiation, triangles, and family of origin to grow in their own health, and how every believer can step into practical ways of living a Jesus-saturated life in the every day stuff.