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In this episode, Paul speaks with occupational therapist Cynthia Miller-Lautman, whose work bridges sensory science and neurodiversity-affirming practice. From creating sensory-safe spaces in schools and clinics to reframing “behaviours” as communication, Cynthia shares decades of wisdom shaped by her clinical work, her family life, and her collaborations with educators and parents.
Together, we explore the eight senses, how to set up simple but powerful microsensory safe spots at home or in classrooms, and why sensory tools must be seen as supports—not rewards. Cynthia also shares practical strategies for parents, teachers, and therapists to stabilize regulation and reframe challenging behaviours with empathy.
Guest: Cynthia Miller-Lautman – Occupational Therapist, Educator, and Host of Swinging Upside Down
Key Quotes
- “Sensory is not a reward. Sensory is a human need.” – Cynthia Miller-Lautman
- “Behaviours are often signals—our detective work is figuring out what’s really going on.”
- “Parents, teachers, and therapists must become sensory detectives to help kids (and adults) find ‘just right.’”
Resources & Links
- Cynthia’s course and webinars: https://courses.cynthiamillerlautman.com (Listeners can use the code sensory20 to get 20% off at checkout
- Cynthia’s podcast: Swinging Upside Down
- Upcoming talk: November 6 at the Montreal Teachers Convention, Bonaventure Hotel
- Website & resources: cynthiamillerlautman.com
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cynthiamillerlautmanot
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cynthiamillerlautman
- TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@cynthiamillerlautman
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cynthiamillerlautman
Connect With Us
- Learn more about the Neurodiversity Voices Podcast: www.neurodiversityvoices.com
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Sensory Science and Neurodiversity
05:52 Cynthia's Journey: Learning Through Experience
16:39 Understanding the Eight Senses
22:34 Creating Sensory Safe Spaces
27:29 Reframing Behaviour: Signals of Dysregulation
35:01 Sensory Needs Across All Ages
Disclaimer:
The content provided in this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay seeking it because of something you have heard on this podcast.
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