This episode was recorded live at SaaStock Europe 2025. Alex Theuma sits down with Mariam Hakobyan, CEO and Co-founder of Softr, to explore the evolution of app building in the AI era. Mariam explains why Softr is focusing on AI-powered no-code and why the companies that focus on solving real, hard problems will define the next generation of SaaS. Alex and Mariam discuss how Softr’s journey to over 1 million non-technical builders, the debate around vibe-coded apps, how AI is transforming no-code, and what it really takes to build a product that lasts. - The difference between vibe code and no-code platforms - How AI and no-code together are changing how teams build software - Softr’s organic growth story: 1M builders, zero sales team - Why solving fundamental problems still wins - The hardest challenge for SaaS founders today: distribution Guest links: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariamhakobyan/ Website - https://www.softr.io/ Check out the other ways SaaStock is helping SaaS founders move their business forward: 🇮🇪 SaaStock Europe: 14-15 October 2025 | Dublin, Ireland Book tickets: https://saastock-europe.com/tickets/ 🇺🇸 SaaStock USA 2025: April 2026 | Austin, Texas Book tickets: https://saastock-usa.com/ 🤝 SaaStock Founder Membership: A private members group of B2B SaaS founders between $100K - $10M ARR who are committed to growth and helping others (https://www.saastock.com/founder-membership/) 🌎 SaaStock Local: Monthly meet-ups in cities all around the world, bringing together SaaS enthusiasts and experts to discuss the most pressing topics in SaaS (https://local.saastock.com/home)