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This isn’t just another episode—it’s the rawest conversation we’ve ever released.
We continue “The Perfect Ten Month” by going back to the beginning, before we were “us,” before the vows, before the clarity. When we were just two ministers trying to figure out how to honor our calling and explore a connection that almost got shut down before it ever had a chance to start.
This is the real story behind the platform. The tension between private feelings and public roles. The weight of leadership. The fear of judgment. And the quiet decision to love anyway, even when it felt risky.
We open up about:
💬 Why dating in ministry felt almost impossible
💬 The pressure of performance vs. the pull of something real
💬 The moment we nearly walked away
💬 What it took to protect what God was doing—before anyone else could see it
This episode is for anyone who’s ever loved under pressure—and fought for something that didn’t come easy.
Because the second time around? We learned how to love out loud—even when the spotlight made us want to hide.
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