What happens when sacred stories are used to justify oppression—and when telling the truth feels like rebellion?

In this episode of The Seed: Conversations for Radical Hope, host Dwight Dunston speaks with Sarah Ruden, an award-winning translator, essayist, and Quaker writer whose work exposes how language, power, and faith intersect. Known for her acclaimed translations of The Aeneid, The Gospels, The Confessions of Augustine, and Perpetua: The Woman, the Martyr, Ruden brings deep historical insight and moral clarity to this conversation about love, responsibility, and truth.

Drawing on the biblical story of Hagar and Ishmael, Sarah unpacks how ancient hierarchies still shape the present. She traces the lineage of propaganda around women’s bodies from Ovid’s Rome to today’s reproductive politics—and challenges the spiritual evasions that allow injustice to endure. She also draws on her forthcoming book, Reproductive Wrongs: A Short History of Bad Ideas About Women.

Key Quotes

“The silence of women in the Hebrew Bible is very interesting—very provocative to think about.”

“People, especially men, don’t want to take responsibility for what actually happens.”

“We have to start by telling the truth.”

Together, Dwight and Sarah explore what it means to live with integrity in a time of crisis, how Quaker faith can both guide and confuse, and why empirical truth—science, evidence, and witness—matters for spiritual survival.

🔗 Resources Mentioned

• Reproductive Wrongs: A Short History of Bad Ideas About Women – forthcoming from Knopf
• Perpetua: The Woman, the Martyr – Yale University Press
• The Face of Water: A Translator on Beauty and Meaning in the Bible – Vintage
• The story of Hagar and Ishmael (Genesis 16–21)
• Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., “When Peace Becomes Obnoxious” (1957) https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/when-peace-becomes-obnoxious
• Grace Lee Boggs and “The Clock of the World” – The Harvard Crimson

Learn more about Sarah’s work at https://sarahruden.com/

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