Emergency room doctors Kevin Biese and Daniel Arteaga saw a familiar pattern: when older adults were taken into emergency departments, more often than not, they were left waiting. On stretchers, in hallways, or in overcrowded waiting rooms. For many, the longer they waited, the more agitated they got, often leaving in worse condition than when they arrived. So the doctors decided to take on this issue and change the way we treat geriatric patients across the country in the process.

In this episode, Ben Walter and Kathleen Griffith talk with Kevin and Daniel about rethinking emergency care, pitching investors (after forgetting to ask for money), and building trust within one of the most complex systems in the U.S. They share lessons on going deep versus wide, integrating AI into a human-first model, and the power of co-founder dynamics when the mission is personal. These are The Unshakeables.

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