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Drone swarms are no longer science fiction - they're becoming one of the most disruptive technologies on the modern battlefield. In this episode, we speak with Serhii Kupriienko, founder and CEO of Swarmer, a Ukrainian startup building autonomous swarming capabilities for drones operating in the harshest conditions: GPS-denied, communications-jammed, and under fire.
We dive deep into how drone warfare has evolved in Ukraine, the maturation - and limitations - of FPV drone tech, and what true “swarming” really means. Serhii shares lessons from the frontlines of defense innovation, explains why adoption of new technologies can be both urgent and constrained, and lays out the challenges of building autonomous, coordinated robotic systems in real-world environments. We also touch on counter-UAS and the broader Ukrainian startup ecosystem.
Chapters
1. #95 Serhii Kupriienko, Swarmer: Building swarms in Ukraine’s drone war (00:00:00)
2. Swarming does not mean flying in formation (00:01:44)
3. Swarming vs. automation (00:06:10)
4. The arc of evolution of drones in Ukraine (00:07:25)
5. How will FPV drones continue to evolve (00:11:32)
6. Automated terminal guidance - a disappointing technology (00:13:36)
7. What other countries misunderstand about the use of drones in Ukraine (00:19:03)
8. FPV maturation trends (00:22:02)
9. Operation Spiderweb (00:27:30)
10. Technological disappointments (00:29:58)
11. Counter UAS (00:32:01)
12. Value prop and implications of swarming (00:33:02)
13. The many definitions of swarming (00:39:47)
14. Basic swarming behaviors (00:41:33)
15. Biggest challenges with developing swarming (00:45:57)
16. Swarmer value prop (00:49:29)
17. Training drone pilots (00:51:11)
18. Swarm adoption by Western militaries (00:55:57)
19. Ukrainian startup ecosystem (01:01:12)
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