What if success wasn’t about focus, but freedom to explore?

In this episode, Joshua sits down with Chris Barber—entrepreneur, father, and systems thinker—for a grounded conversation on what it really takes to lead yourself in today’s world. From navigating ADHD to challenging traditional education and startup dogma, Chris shares how embracing experimentation has shaped his path in business and parenting.

They unpack the myth of “one thing” focus, explore why most advice misses the mark, and introduce a real-time emotional regulation tool Chris developed called resonance—designed to shift energy, deepen relationships, and bring you back into flow.

Whether you’re building a business, raising kids, or learning to trust your own pace, this episode offers fresh perspective and practical tools for leading from within.

Listen in if you’re done trying to fit into boxes—and ready to build your own.

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