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Most of us were taught to color inside the lines, follow the rules, and get a gold star for staying tidy. Cas Holman has spent her career blowing that up — and thank god. She designs tools, not toys, to spark creativity, collaboration, and imagination. (If you’ve watched Abstract: The Art of Design on Netflix, yep, she’s the genius behind the episode that made you want to ditch your to-do list and build something weird and wonderful instead.)

In this episode, we dive into what happens when we stop obsessing over “right answers” and start embracing curiosity, creativity, and — yes — play. Cas challenges the way we think about learning, design, and work itself. Because what if the secret to solving our biggest grown-up problems is to think a little more like kids?

We explore:

  • Why play isn’t just for children (and why adults need it desperately)

  • The danger of over-engineering creativity out of education and work

  • How designing for possibility creates stronger leaders, teams, and ideas

  • What Cas learned from creating Rigamajig, and why it’s so damn powerful

  • Why fun and freedom are the real productivity hacks

Because when we make more space for play, we make more space for brilliance.

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Connect with Cas:

Website: https://casholman.com/

Book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/736596/playful-by-cas-holman-with-lydia-denworth/

IG: https://www.instagram.com/casholman/Rigamajig

LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cas-holman-7b9baa5/

Abstract: The Art of Design (Season 2, Episode 4, The Art of Play): https://www.netflix.com/title/80057883

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