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Some days we’re rivers—wide open, flowing, generous. Other days we’re bowls or even cups—able to receive and give, but in smaller measure. In this on-location episode, Jamie introduces a simple capacity lens for relationships: cups, bowls, and rivers. We explore how knowing your current capacity (and sensing someone else’s) can prevent friction, honor limits, and keep connection kind.

Then we sit down with returning guest Luke Wetzler of Back 40 Meadery for a guided tasting: a dry plum session mead; Island Romance (calamansi lime + Northwest huckleberry); a traditional honey-water-yeast mead; and a bright cherry session mead made with fruit from Green Bluff. Along the way: what off-gassing does to aroma and color, why adding fresh juice back in matters, the (playful) “honeymoon” origin story, and how creative people refuel after pouring themselves out.

If you’ve ever felt “overpoured” or misunderstood—or if you’re simply mead-curious—this one’s for you.

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