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Annie (23, actor, just out of drama school) and Anji (53, osteopath and ex-banker) get honest about one of the messiest adult questions: do you pick the secure, sensible path… or the thing that actually lights you up?
They swap origin stories - Annie ditching the uni conveyor belt to audition for drama school while all her friends headed to Exeter and Durham, and Anji leaving a well-paid, high-status banking career to retrain in her late 30s - and compare what it really feels like to work in an uncertain industry (acting) vs to walk away from a very certain one (banking).
In this episode:
- what it was like to graduate straight into touring Jane Eyre in China
- why Anji’s 1994 Barclays grad scheme felt like “a job for life”
- side hustles that actually feed your creative work
- parents, privilege and permission to take a risk
- passion vs security (and why you might be able to have both)
- “do your best, forget the rest” - their shared motto
Perfect listen if you’re 23 and panicking you don’t have it all sorted, or 53 and wondering if you’re “too old” to start again. (Spoiler: you’re not.)
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