In this episode, Schultzy and Damo dive into the legalisation of OC spray in the NT, drawing on the real-life experiences of cops in Western Australia, where it’s already been legal for a couple of years. Schultzy then shares a story about two blokes who tried to pick a fight with him while he was off duty, leading to a chat about the importance of a cop’s presence and authority when managing a situation, and how the RISC principle comes into play. They ask the question many police wonder – do you mentally call a use of force before stepping into an incident? Most cops say yes, and the Two Ordinary Cops break down real-life moments where de-escalation made all the difference. To wrap up, Damo explains how agendas can shape the coronial findings in the Zach Rolfe shooting. If you want a genuine behind-the-scenes look at the process, this episode is a must-listen.