In this episode Carlos and Lenny share their thoughts on the 2023 book "Human Extinction: A History of the Science and Ethics of Annihilation" by Émile P. Torres.
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Émile P. Torres' website: https://www.xriskology.com/
Émile P. Torres on Twitter: https://twitter.com/xriskology
Émile P. Torres on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@emilep.torres2298
Émile P. Torres: "Human Extinction: A Brief Guided Tour of the Book" (Substack): https://xriskology.substack.com/p/human-extinction-a-brief-guided-tour
Émile P. Torres: "Human Extinction: A Brief Guided Tour of the Book" (Medium): https://xriskology.medium.com/human-extinction-a-brief-guided-tour-of-the-book-5cfb6a5a726
Émile P. Torres: "Human Extinction: A Brief Guided Tour of the Book" (audio version): https://youtu.be/zdxEaJtQiRE
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our interview with Lawrence: https://youtu.be/r3Jb_RtUCPM
Ps.-Diog. epist. 47: https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalismus/comments/14abyr9/eine_antike_empfehlung_der_kinderlosigkeit_psdiog/
(English translation: Abraham J. Malherbe (ed.): The Cynic Epistles: A Study Edition. Missoula, MT: Scholars Press 1977. p. 179.)
the myth of Mainländer's death: https://www.reddit.com/r/Mainlander/comments/16a4tv6/probable_source_of_the_myth_of_mainl%C3%A4nders/
optimistic extinctionism: https://youtu.be/e_sM_lDbd7k, https://youtu.be/jgU4ywqXoYw
"Why wasn't Schopenhauer an outspoken antinatalist?": https://youtu.be/xn8AupHN75E?t=907
Andreas Nilssen Möss: "Why Antinatalists Should Stop Talking About the Red Button": https://youtu.be/uT9TuAAqa34
Lenny's Kurnig project: https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalism/comments/wd268d/the_holy_grail_of_modern_antinatalism_unearthed/
Les U. Knight calling Kurnig the founder of VHEMT: https://youtu.be/P_3FeOSuj5A
Lenny's introduction to Ulrich Horstmann's "Das Untier": https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalismus/comments/yf3qjo/das_untier_konturen_einer_philosophie_der/
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0:00:00 (intro)
0:01:33 fascination with the end of humanity
0:02:59 blurb
0:04:19 Émile P. Torres
0:05:25 antinatalism and extinctionism
0:07:03 terminology
0:10:57 structure of the book
0:15:20 1st Existential Mood
0:17:08 Ps.-Diog. epist. 47
0:19:42 2nd Existential Mood
0:20:45 Arthur Schopenhauer and the pessimists
0:22:11 Philipp Mainländer
0:27:34 Eduard von Hartmann
0:30:43 thoughts on pessimism and philosophy repeating itself
0:33:17 utilitarianism
0:37:01 negative utilitarianism
0:40:29 radical environmentalism and deep ecology
0:44:39 longtermism
0:53:03 transhumanism
0:54:17 Margaret Atwood: Oryx and Crake (spoilers)
0:55:11 science fiction and normative extinction
0:56:07 where is David Pearce (PBUH)?
0:56:41 David Benatar and contemporary antinatalism
0:58:30 antinatalists against human extinction
1:00:29 antinatalism and wild animal suffering
1:02:57 4th wave of Existential Ethics
1:04:00 Torres' own position
1:08:55 the future of thinking about human extinction
1:10:18 Lenny's additions
1:11:08 Kurnig
1:14:37 Ulrich Horstmann
1:21:00 the role of privilege
1:23:29 academic nitpicks
1:27:26 conclusion
1:29:39 (outro)
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intro / outro music: TrackTribe – Lost At Sea