With two young boys, who fight and bite, a dog and a busy career, Sara Pascoe says at the age of 44 she finally knows what stress feels like.

She came to motherhood late and conceived via IVF. She thinks talking openly about the process will remove any shame and tells Katherine, in detail, what happened to her and her body. They discuss how an ageist society even extends to the embryos Sara and her husband have on ice.

She’s vegan, she exercises and she’s made a stand against cosmetic procedures. She’s hoping her refusal to succumb to surgery and Botox will, in time, be rewarded with an OBE.

Nichola applauds Sara for her plant-based diet, and they talk about how best to get protein in your diet when you don’t eat meat.

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