Date With A Debut is a podcast hosted by writer Nick Wasiliev: shining a light on debut authors, their incredible books, and their journeys to publication. This week, I sit down with Madeleine Cleary to discuss her debut novel, The Butterfly Women. WARNING: This book contains intense subject matter. Reader discretion is advised. Enjoy the show? Drop us a review, it really helps out! You can also support Date with a Debut on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/nickwasiliev/membership Subscribe on Podbean to never miss an episode: https://www.podbean.com/site/podcatcher/index/blog/3mRME5IMoSJx Date With a Debut is featured in the Australian literary platform Words & Nerds. Check out all shows on the platform here: https://danivee.com.au/podcasts/ BOOKS: Debut Feature: The Butterfly Women / Madeleine Cleary: https://booktopia.kh4ffx.net/e1BP3Q Other Books Mentioned: The Dictionary of Lost Words / Pip Williams: https://booktopia.kh4ffx.net/VmRrR6 Demon Copperhead / Barbara Kingsolver: https://booktopia.kh4ffx.net/aO6QbY Burial Rites / Hannah Kent: https://booktopia.kh4ffx.net/GKq3x2 An Onslaught of Light / Natasha Rai: https://booktopia.kh4ffx.net/092QEJ Five Seasons in Seoul / Christine Newell: https://booktopia.kh4ffx.net/Z643oz The Story Thief / Kyra Geddes: https://booktopia.kh4ffx.net/XmZ3g3 OTHER LINKS: The Book Deal Podcast: https://bit.ly/4kvtq62 PRODUCTION NOTES: Host: Nick Wasiliev Guest: Madeleine Cleary Editing & Production: Nick Wasiliev Podcast Theme: ‘Chill’ by Sakura Hz Production Code: 3:6 Episode Number: #40 Additional Credits: Dani Vee (Words & Nerds), Tace Kelly (Simon and Schuster Australia) FOLLOW NICK WASILIEV (+ DATE WITH A DEBUT): A LITTLE IDEA PODCAST: Feed WEBSITE: www.nicholaswasiliev.com YOUTUBE: @NickWasiliev_Official INSTAGRAM: @nickwasiliev TWITTER/X: @Nick_Wasiliev FACEBOOK: Nick Wasiliev TIKTOK: @nickwasiliev © 2025 Nick Wasiliev and Breathe Art Holdings ‘Date With A Debut’ is a Words and Nerds and Breathe Art Podcasts co-production recorded and edited on Awabakal Country, and we pay our respects to all elders past and present.