Growth In Reverse is the must-listen podcast for anyone serious about growing an email list and turning a newsletter into a thriving business. Hosted by Chenell Basilio and Dylan Redekop, two leading voices in the newsletter space, this show pulls back the curtain on how today’s top newsletter operators actually grow and make money. Episodes include deep-dive teardowns of the strategies behind the most successful newsletters. You’ll hear how creators like Justin Welsh, Codie Sanchez, Sahil B ...
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Weekly audio classes straight in your earbuds (or headphones, if you are ol' school like us). Learn how to market to hearts, not brain and hear from the brightest marketing minds, keep up to date with the latest trends and expect the occasional snort-out-loud sort of laughter.
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EP 256 - Chenell Basilio on How Top Newsletter Creators Grew Their Lists to 50k+
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56:05Join us for a chat with Chenell Basilio, founder of Growth in Reverse, as she shares her journey into email marketing and newsletter growth. Drawing from her hands-on experience and research of successful newsletters, Chenell breaks down what really works when it comes to building an engaged audience. Perfect for both beginners and experienced mark…
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This Newsletter Sold For $150m (And Why It Matters)
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27:15The Growth Vault is LIVE: Chenell's brand-new offer for newsletter creators is here—filled with newsletter templates, growth strategies, and real examples you can implement at your own pace. -------------------------------------- “If you’re not exceptional at one of the Big 3 — it’s impossible to build a content business.” — Dylan quoting Matt McGa…
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9 Things Beginners Should Ignore When Starting a Newsletter
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42:41The Growth Vault is LIVE: Chenell's brand-new offer for newsletter creators is here—filled with newsletter templates, growth strategies, and real examples you can implement at your own pace. -------------------------------------- “Stop wasting time picking the ‘perfect’ newsletter tool. Just start publishing. You can always switch later." — Dylan W…
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EP 255 - Discovering Your Zone of Genius & Unlock Your True Potential
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52:39Join Victoria Cumberbatch as she breaks down the Zone of Genius - your secret weapon for personal and professional growth. She walks us through how finding your genius can help you feel more fulfilled and successful in your work. Victoria gets real about her own journey and shares some handy tips to help you figure out where your genius truly lies.…
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The #1 Newsletter Metric You Need To Pay More Attention To
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43:36The Growth Vault is LIVE: Chenell's brand-new offer for newsletter creators is here—filled with newsletter templates, growth strategies, and real examples you can implement at your own pace. -------------------------------------- “I sent this short email—and got over 200 replies—when I usually get maybe 8 to 15. It was wild." — Chenell In this epis…
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EP 254 - How to Build a Sustainable Marketing Practice with Liana Fricker
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23:00Liana Fricker joins Fab to explore what it really means to build sustainability into your marketing, from daily practices to long-term business impact. This episode is a must-listen for founders, freelancers, and teams ready to embed purpose into every campaign. 🎙️ This conversation was originally recorded as part of the Ethical & Sustainable Marke…
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3 Steps To A Perfect Subscriber Onboarding
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40:40The Growth Vault is LIVE: Chenell's brand-new offer for newsletter creators is here! The Growth Vault is filled with newsletter templates, growth strategies, and real examples you can implement at your own pace. -------------------------------------- “One of the worst things you can do is send new subscribers to a dead-end thank you page. That kill…
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EP 253 - 5 Ways to Build a Marketing Career Aligned to your Values
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54:48Join us for a down-to-earth chat with Mercy Abel, a marketer who's passionate about values-driven work. She'll share her journey of staying true to her values while navigating the marketing world. From her work with Unlocked to her experiences with mentorship, Mercy opens up about making choices that feel right both personally and professionally. W…
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The Growth Vault is LIVE: Chenell's brand-new offer for newsletter creators is here! The Growth Vault is filled with newsletter templates, growth strategies, and real examples you can implement at your own pace. -------------------------------------- “Sometimes less is more. Cut the clutter and highlight the one thing that matters." — Chenell It's …
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EP 252 - Making Your Marketing More Sustainable with James Gill
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27:02James Gill shares practical steps to reduce the environmental impact of your marketing, without sacrificing performance. A grounded take on sustainability that actually works. Whether you're just starting out or looking to refine your sustainable approach, this episode will give you real, actionable ideas you can start using today. 🎙️ This conversa…
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$9M with 50k subscribers: Sam Vander Wielen's 7-figure newsletter funnel.
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1:01:17Get 30+ video lessons and ideas for optimizing your newsletter: https://growthinreverse.com/vault -------------------------- “All roads point to the email list." — Sam Vander Wielen, Sam's Sidebar In this episode, we interview Sam Vander Wielen—a lawyer-turned-creator who has sold over $9M in legal templates with a 50k-subscriber newsletter. Sam sh…
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EP 251 - Shameless Plug: What’s Working in Email Marketing Right Now
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8:32Join our email marketing deep dive: click here In this bonus episode, Fab chats about email marketing and how it's changing in 2025. We’ walk you through common mistakes to avoid and why email is still such a valuable channel for your business. You'll learn practical tactics like micro-segmentation, focused newsletters, and working with creators to…
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Recapping CEX 2025: Un-hyping AI, Community Moats, and the Future of Newsletters
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44:08The Growth Vault is LIVE: Chenell's brand-new product —The Growth Vault— is here. Filled with newsletter templates, growth strategies, and real examples you can implement at your own pace. -------------------------------------- “If content is king, AI is storming the castle." — Darren Vesterfelt, Mighty Networks Chenell was just in Cleveland for th…
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EP 250 - Accessible Marketing & Neurodiversity in Business with Tania Gerard
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33:21What does accessible marketing actually look like in practice? Tania Gerard breaks it down — sharing how to create campaigns that include neurodiverse audiences and reflect the full spectrum of human experience. 🎙️ This conversation is part of our Ethical & Sustainable Marketing Accelerator. 🎓 Get a free taster class at: amschool.click/accelerator …
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His private newsletter with 1.5k subs earns $1M ARR
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1:00:22Join our September Social Growth Challenge: https://growthinreverse.com/social -------------------------- “You have to be first—or you have to be best. That's how you win at paid content." — Nathan May, The Feed Media In this episode, we interview Nathan May, founder of The Feed Media. Nathan shares how he turned a small, private newsletter into a …
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EP 249 - Funding 101: Understanding Your Options for Business Growth with Fran Spooner
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41:31Let's dive into the world of business funding with Fran Spooner. She walks us through everything from bootstrapping to angel investors, venture capital, crowdfunding, and loans. Whether you're thinking about getting external funding or growing your business on your own, Fran offers a straightforward guide to help you understand your options, evalua…
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Shameless Plug: 5 Questions That Will Transform Your Q4 Marketing Strategy
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8:42Join our next strategy planning session: click here In this episode, Fab talks about why asking 5 reflective questions is so important for your marketing strategy. She points out that instead of chasing new tools or trends, marketers should really focus on understanding their audience and taking a good look at their own practices. Fab shares some r…
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>> Join the 30-Days of Growth Social Challenge: https://growthinreverse.com/social -------------------------------------- “The first 6 months taught me that consistency beats everything — even if you’re not perfect." In this episode of the Growth In Reverse podcast, Dylan and Chenell rewind the clock to when Chenell was just starting her newsletter…
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EP 248 - Building Inclusive Networks & Events with Lauralee Whyte
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30:21Event strategist and talent connector Lauralee Whyte shares her frameworks for building inclusive, values-led networks, and why visibility means nothing without belonging. Learn how to build diverse, inclusive networks that go beyond tokenism. 🎙️ This conversation is part of our Ethical & Sustainable Marketing Accelerator. 🎓 Explore the full experi…
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5 Newsletter Growth Lessons From 2.5 Years of Publishing
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41:59“If you spend 80% of your time making incredibly good content, you probably only have to spend 20% marketing it." In this special episode, we’re bringing you Chenell’s conversation with Darrell Vesterfelt, VP of Growth at Mighty Networks, for a recent Creator Summit. In the chat, Chenell talks about why she started a newsletter — and why she chose …
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EP 247 - The Psychology of High-Converting Quizzes with Maxwell Nee
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41:21Meet Maxwell Nee, Chief Revenue Officer at ScoreApp, as he walks you through Scorecard Marketing - a clever way to mix quizzes with data to get quality leads. Maxwell breaks down the psychology of warm leads, shows you how to ask questions that get results, and explains how using personalised insights can boost your marketing game. You'll learn how…
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How CJ Gustafson Grew Mostly Metrics to 60k+ Subscribers & Multi‑Six‑Figures in Revenue
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53:43The Growth Vault is LIVE: https://growthinreverse.com/vault ---------------------------------------------------------------- “During my last year as a CFO, I made more money from my newsletter and podcast than my full-time job." — CJ Gustafson, Mostly Metrics We sit down with CJ Gustafson, former tech CFO and now full-time creator of two newsletter…
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EP 246 - Bitesize: How to Protect your Zone of Genius
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9:33🏫 If you haven’t already, join us for a full Summer of free recorded classes with Summer School - grab your free ticket _______ In this final snippet, Shannon Matson, CEO of Social Bungalow, shares practical strategies for scaling marketing businesses. She talks about why systems and processes matter, how to delegate effectively, and ways to create…
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Turning a Niche Newsletter of 30k Subs Into a Full-Time Business
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1:01:21The Growth Vault is LIVE: https://growthinreverse.com/vault ---------------------------------------------------------------- “You don’t need to create for everyone. You need to create for the people who value you most — and they’ll carry your newsletter further than you think." — Matt Johansen, Vulnu.com We sat down with Matt Johansen, creator of t…
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EP 245 - Bitesize: The Role of Systems in Copywriting
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8:51🏫 If you haven’t already, join us for a full Summer of free recorded classes with Summer School - grab your free ticket _______ In this throwback snippet, Dan Nelken talks about how important structure is for being creative, especially when writing copy. He shows us how using prompts and techniques can help you get past that dreaded blank page and …
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How to Turn 1 Subscriber into 10: Get More Referrals With These Tactics
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36:28The Growth Vault is LIVE: https://growthinreverse.com/vault ---------------------------------------------------------------- “This is the underrated growth strategy every newsletter should be using.” What if every subscriber could turn into 10 more? In this episode of the Growth In Reverse podcast, Dylan and Chenell unpack one of the most underrate…
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EP 244 - Bitesize: Cultural Sensitivity in Marketing
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7:32🏫 If you haven’t already, join us for a full Summer of free recorded classes with Summer School - grab your free ticket _______ In this episode, Fab brings back a snippet from her chat with Ange Lyons about brand associations and why cultural sensitivity matters so much in marketing today. The conversation gets into how thoughtful branding helps bu…
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His Paid Newsletter Launch Drove $50k+ (and 500+ paid subs)
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48:38“I waited to launch my paid newsletter until I had a solid strategy and felt like I’d earned it.” — Tom Orbach, Marketing Ideas Tom Orbach of MarketingIdeas.com — which recently crossed 44,000 free subscribers and over 500 paid subscribers in just the first few days after launching his paid tier — joins Chenell & Dylan to share the exact playbook h…
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EP 243 - Bitesize: Challenging the Norm of Marketing Strategy
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9:49🏫 If you haven’t already, join us for a full Summer of free recorded classes with Summer School - grab your free ticket _______ In this short throwback, Fab chats with Joe Burns, head of strategy at Quality Meets Creative. They talk about strategies that actually make a difference - ones that transform organisations, shake up competitive landscapes…
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Newsletter Coaching Session: Scaling Deep Dives Into a Newsletter Growth Engine
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42:30“$250k is when growth changes. It’s when you need systems. You usually can’t do it solo.” — Matt Gira, The Quarter Matt Gira joins Chenell & Dylan — in person — to share how he went from building underwater drones to launching The Quarter: a newsletter that deep dives into how founders grow bootstrapped businesses to $250K. This is an interview, bu…
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EP 242 - Bitesize: Mastering Your Brand's Voice
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8:35🏫 If you haven’t already, join us for a full Summer of free recorded classes with Summer School - grab your free ticket _______ In this throwback, Fab and Nick chat about brand voice, highlighting how authenticity and humour can help you connect with your audience. They look at how brands can show their personality through tone and messaging, with …
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Your Newsletter Is Too Easy to Join — Here’s Why That’s a Problem
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31:34“I love unsubscribes. Don’t be here if you don’t want to be here.” It is insanely easy to subscribe to a newsletter—and even MULTIPLE newsletters all at once. But is that a good thing? Should newsletter creators be more choosy when determining who signs up? We're diving into one of the most overlooked and under-discussed aspects of newsletter growt…
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EP 241 - Bitesize: Mastering SOPs for Marketing Success
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8:24🏫 If you haven’t already, join us for a full Summer of free recorded classes with Summer School - grab your free ticket _______ In this short episode, Bethan Wright breaks down why SOPs (Standard Operating Procedures) are so crucial for social media managers. She explains how they help you scale your business and keep your client experience consist…
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9 Big Takeaways For Creators From Craft + Commerce 2025
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46:40“The real value wasn’t in the keynotes—it was the dinners, the hikes, the casual connections.” – Dylan Redekop, first-time C+C attendee Dylan and Chenell reflect on their time at Kit's Craft + Commerce email newsletter conference for creators in Boise. But this episode isn’t just a recap — it’s a deep dive into what made the conference unforgettabl…
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EP 240 - Bitesize: Email Personalisation that Matters
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7:57🏫 If you haven’t already, join us for a full Summer of free recorded classes with Summer School - grab your free ticket _______ This short episode taken from our conversation with Yuval Ackerman dives into ethical email marketing and why segmenting your audience really matters. You'll get practical tips to level up your marketing and build stronger…
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From Tweets to 70k: How Jesse "Accidentally" Built a Newsletter of 70k Subscribers
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47:31"Every time I try to be an expert, I lose readers. When I’m just me, they stick around." – Jesse J. Anderson, Extra Focus newsletter For the first time ever, Chenell & Dylan have recorded LIVE, in-person podcast episodes! Coming at you in-person from Kit Studios in Boise ID, Chenell & Dylan connect with Jesse J. Anderson—better known online as ADHD…
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EP 239 - Bitesize: Unlocking Growth on TikTok
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10:54🏫 If you haven’t already, join us for a full Summer of free recorded classes with Summer School - grab your free ticket _______ In this episode, we're kicking off a series of short episodes all about effective marketing strategies, with a special focus on TikTok. We chat about practical growth strategies, how to create content that resonates, and w…
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Should your newsletter have a podcast? (Our take after 6 months of episodes)
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47:52"Podcasting isn’t a shortcut to growth—but it’s a hell of a way to deepen relationships." – Chenell Basilio What can happen when you commit to a weekly podcast for six straight months? You're about to find out. Chenell & Dylan pull back the curtain on the Growth In Reverse podcast—sharing the behind-the-scenes of what’s worked, what hasn’t, and wha…
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EP 238 - The Marketing Skills Gap: Generalist or Specialist with Michelle Boland
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46:12Join Michelle Boland, MBA, as she shares her insights on being a generalist marketer in today's fast-paced world. From her time in agencies to leading big marketing teams, Michelle breaks down why being versatile matters - even when everyone's talking about specialising. ABOUT YOUR TEACHER With over 20 years broad marketing experience, Michelle is …
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Creators Are Flocking to Substack—but Should You Join Them?
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39:21“You can pretty much do anything on Substack—which is good and also makes me nervous.” – Chenell Basilio We've seen a wave of creators flocking to Substack over the last month and couldn’t help but wonder... what’s really going on here? In this episode, Chenell & Dylan unpack the why we believe this migration is happening. Are creators just chasing…
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EP 237 - Roundtable Discussion: Is Marketing Broken?
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46:41Wondering why marketing feels more overwhelming than ever? You’re not alone. In this episode, Fab, Becca, Emma, and Lea unpack the new challenges facing marketers—from unrealistic job expectations to the emotional toll of constant “doing.” They also reveal how communication and setting boundaries can make all the difference. Tune in for actionable …
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30 Creators. 30 Days. 3,700+ Subscribers: How She Did It
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42:03"I thought this would grow my list. It did—but the real win was something else entirely." — Chenell Basilio on her 30 Days of Growth experiment. In this special episode of Growth In Reverse, Chenell & Dylan break down the whirlwind that was Chenell's 30 Days of Growth experiment. What started as a simple idea to improve my cross-promotions quickly …
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EP 236 - Behind the Campaign with Ruth Lee from Citypress
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30:56We’re shining the spotlight on Ruth Lee, Senior Director at Citypress, as we dive into the strategies, and lessons from her career. In this episode, Ruth shares her journey from graduate hire to senior leadership, her approach to integrating purpose into campaigns, and her secrets to building cohesive teams that thrive. Ruth will be back with a wor…
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How He Turned a Free Google Doc into $1.2M + 18,000 Newsletter Subscribers
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50:29Get 30 proven newsletter strategies to grow and optimize your email list FREE >> "There is a strong, undeniable correlation between the number of emails you send and the amount of money you make." — Olly Richards In this episode, Chenell & Dylan chat with Olly Richards — the founder of Storylearning.com and now a fast-growing personal brand — about…
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EP 235 - Behind the Campaign with Charlie Terry from Ceek Marketing
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35:42Dive into the world of digital marketing with Charlie Terry from CEEK Marketing. Discover how his journey from hospitality to founding multiple agencies shaped his approach to omnichannel campaigns, client management, and agency growth. Fab and Charlie discuss the evolution of marketing, the importance of diverse skill sets in agencies, and the cha…
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From Confusion to Clarity: How to Fix an Overwhelming Newsletter
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31:12Get 30 proven newsletter strategies to grow and optimize your email list FREE >> "Faceless brands are forgettable. Put your name on it. Make it human." In this episode, Dylan and Chenell are back for another Newsletter Roast! Get out your marshmallows 🔥 This week we're roasting a newsletter all about podcast discovery. The Find That Pod newsletter …
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EP 234 - Stop Sleeping on Paid Content with Amy Cook
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53:16In this episode, Fab sits down with Amy Cook, founder of Mango and Wild, to demystify all things paid advertising. Whether you're a total ads newbie or want to sharpen your PPC skills, they cover everything from budget-friendly campaign tips to busting common advertising myths. Amy shares her no-nonsense approach to making ads and SEO more accessib…
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Behind the Scenes of a Free 30-Day Newsletter Growth Sprint
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35:15Get 30 proven strategies to grow and optimize your email list FREE >> "This might be the most fun I've had growing my newsletter." — Chenell And here's how Chenell's doing it. We're giving you a behind-the-scenes look at how 30 Days of Growth is going—and how we’re planning to make the most of the final stretch! With over 2,600 signups already and …
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EP 233 - Behind the Scenes of Atomicon and How to Build Community Through Events
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52:09Join Fab as she chats with Andrew and Pete about their journey with Atomicon - from how they first teamed up to the ups and downs of running events during the pandemic. They dive into what makes events truly special, sharing their insights on building community and learning from attendee feedback. The duo opens up about the nitty-gritty of launchin…
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Steal These 5 Newsletter Growth Levers You Can Start Today
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38:44Get 30 proven strategies to grow and optimize your email list FREE >> In this episode, we’re unpacking five high-performing newsletter growth levers that creators are using right now to grow smarter—not harder. Each tactic comes straight from Chenell's 30 Days of Growth series, where creators shared the exact strategies that helped them attract tho…
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