Most of us think of sleep as a nightly event. Michael Breus thinks of it as a lifelong pattern—a shifting, evolving chronotype that changes as we age. Every time he joins me, we end up deep in the details of how rest, alertness, and biology shape our days. This conversation was no different.

In this episode, Michael and I dig into the core ideas behind his book Sleep, Drink, Breathe, why wellness keeps getting more complicated, and how simple habits—done with intention—can create real momentum. We also get into mouth taping, CPAP myths, the rise of at-home sleep tests, and why hydration and breathwork may be more important than most people realize.

Six Discussion Points

• How chronotypes shift as we age—and why both of us are noticing that shift right now.
• The three “dominoes” of wellness and why breathing and hydration often need fixing before sleep.
• Why wellness feels overwhelming today, and the simple starting points Michael recommends.
• The real science behind mouth taping and why it can be risky without proper screening.
• How home sleep testing has changed—and why diagnosing sleep apnea is easier than ever.
• The Sleep, Drink, Breathe plan and how small, steady habits build lifelong change.

Three Connection Points

• Read Sleep Drink Breathe: Simple Daily Habits for Profound Long-Term Health
• Get Life Gives to the Giver by Joe Polish
• Take The Sleep Quiz

Conversations with Michael always leave me thinking differently about how deeply biology shapes behaviour. His work reminds me that productivity isn’t a matter of pushing harder—it’s a matter of aligning with the rhythms that already exist. If you’re looking to simplify wellness, understand your changing chronotype, or build habits that actually last, this episode is a worthwhile listen.