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Mike Mandel is a world-leading hypnotist with over 50 years of professional experience. He's performed nearly 5,000 stage shows, trained over 10,000 students at his Toronto hypnosis academy, and co-hosts the Brain Software podcast.
Our conversation bridges hypnosis, Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy, pain management, and meaning-making—showing how different healing traditions can discover the same truths about how minds heal.
Whether you're a therapist curious about hypnosis, an IFS practitioner, or simply fascinated by how minds work and heal, this conversation will expand your understanding.
You'll hear:
- The "bungalow model" of ego states and stunning parallels with IFS therapy
- How hypnosis stopped a severe burn from forming (tiny firemen with liquid nitrogen!)
- The history of hypnosis from ancient Egypt to Milton Erickson
- Why you need at least three models of reality (not just one)
- How Mike reframed chronic pain from suffering into a reminder he's alive
- Kitchen surgery stories that will blow your mind
- Rapid-fire questions about meaning, legacy, and what matters most
⚠️ WARNING: Mike starts with a brief hypnotic demonstration. Pay attention—the more you focus, the more you'll experience it. We unpack how he did it at the end.
"Everything is an ego state issue without exception." — Mike Mandel
Key Timestamps
- 05:50 - The Forgetting Demonstration
- 07:28 - Ego States & The Bungalow Model
- 15:23 - IFS & Hypnosis: Stunning Parallels
- 21:50 - The Frozen Baby: A Profound Healing Story
- 35:25 - Pain vs. Suffering
- 40:52 - The Burn Treatment Story
- 45:55 - What IS Trance?
- 56:26 - History of Hypnosis: Mesmer to Erickson
- 1:07:44 - How the Forgetting Demo Worked
- 1:18:18 - Rapid-Fire Meaning Questions
Resources
- MikeMandelHypnosis.com
- Brain Software Podcast
Developing Meaning is NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY INSTITUTIONS and is NOT INTENDED AS MEDICAL ADVICE.
Theme Music by The Thrashing Skumz.
Produced by Dirk Winter and Caroline Hinton
Brought to you by Consilient Mind LLC.
Chapters
1. Welcome And Why Hypnosis Matters (00:00:00)
2. Party Trick Amnesia Demo (00:05:27)
3. Models Of Mind And Parts (00:08:00)
4. Bungalow And Stage Ego State Models (00:12:08)
5. Highest Wisdom And Healing Stories (00:21:05)
6. Addiction, OCD, And Parts As Protectors (00:28:24)
7. Hypnosis, Safety, And Dark History (00:33:56)
8. Tools: Cards, Intention, And The Mandel Triangle (00:40:12)
9. Meaning, Pain Vs Suffering, And Reframes (00:48:20)
10. Self-Hypnosis For Anesthesia And Burns (00:55:45)
11. Trance Explained And Language Patterns (01:05:42)
12. History Of Hypnosis In Fast Forward (01:14:30)
13. Erickson, Indirect Methods, And Neo-Ericksonian (01:25:10)
14. Unpacking The Amnesia Language Pattern (01:31:50)
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