At 40 years old, Mark Brenwall had it all. He lived in a loft in San Francisco's Mission District. Working in tech, he had money, he had friends and big nights on the town.

But it took him 20 years to realize it just wasn't for him.

Sobriety helped give him to space to see that he wasn't happy -- but also wasn't sure what was next. Mark shares each step of those transitional years from exploratory trips to setting up a company on his own, and finally setting down new roots in Thailand.

Looking back, he says, "It couldn't have worked out better."

Tune in and hear Mark's story of transformation and reinvention at 40.

Evolution or Revolution is produced by Courtney Kaplan and Iconic Leadership Coaching.

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