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Sarah Lorge Butler talks to Mike Smith about his transition from coaching cross country and track & field at Northern Arizona University to coaching Nike's Swoosh TC Flagstaff hub.

Mike discusses his decision to leave NAU, work-life balance in coaching, how building a pro team is different from building a college team, the impact of NIL and the transfer portal on collegiate running, and much more.

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Chapters

1. Intro (00:00:00)

2. On leaving NAU and skipping NCAA XC this year (00:01:04)

3. Does he have better balance in his life now? (00:08:05)

4. The Swoosh TC setup and who he's coaching (00:09:25)

5. On learning how to be a pro runner (00:13:57)

6. Team culture in college vs. the pros (00:18:50)

7. How his wife, Rachel Smith, is doing, seven months postpartum (00:25:02)

8. On athletes who excel—and those who don't—at the NCAA XC Championships (00:28:02)

9. The impact of NIL and the transfer portal on collegiate running (00:30:20)

10. On restoring some balance and making time to work out (00:32:00)

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