"We have created the ideology of normal... and if we don't deconstruct that, we will 100% be traumatising our young people."

Join Celi and Baz for a deeply honest conversation with BAFTA award-winning broadcasters and MBE recipients Carrie and David Grant. Long-time Sing Up friends, they share their family's journey raising four neurodivergent children in a household where music has always been part of daily life.

In this thoughtful episode, discover:

• How they created a music-filled home where instruments were always accessible and creativity flourished
• Why a TV lighting technician had more autism training than any teacher their child ever encountered
• The importance of "sitting in the ruins" with young people and validating their experience
• Moving stories from their career, including how their TV show helped a parent whose non-speaking child found their voice
• Why music is "free medicine" - accessible to everyone regardless of singing ability

From their early days creating empowering songs to supporting families through their autism parent group, Carrie and David share insights about questioning "normal," fostering belonging, and demonstrating how music can be both refuge and voice for children facing challenges.

A valuable listen for: Parents, teachers, music educators, and anyone working with children and young people. This conversation offers profound insights into acceptance, creativity, and the healing power of truly being heard.

Content warning: Discusses mental health challenges including suicide ideation.