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After I spent an hour or so running down their recent lawsuit against Destiny, I decided to give Ben & Grace Thorp a call. To my surprise, Ben answered the phone. I tried my best to be fair, despite our turbulent history. This is what followed.


From the August 9th, 2025, episode of the Killstream.


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