In this episode, Mike and Doug catch up after a few eventful weeks and share stories that blur the line between the ordinary and the liminal. What starts as a conversation about group chats, notifications, and sound checks opens up into something deeper—a reflection on creativity, grief, and connection across realms.

Doug tells the story of a late-night solo journey that led him to record a spontaneous synth track, sparking a creative back-and-forth with Mike. They reflect on the vulnerability of creating in altered states and the unexpected beauty that can emerge when we follow the impulse to make something—even if it’s messy.

Mike shares a recent encounter with a stranger who delivered a message about songwriting and the role of the artist—one that felt like it came from another world. Together, they explore what it means to live in the "in-between" space: the liminal zone where inspiration, memory, and presence overlap.

🌀 Topics include:

• Making music and finding the thread of something real
• Grief, death, and creating meaning through connection
• The artist’s role as a bridge between worlds
• Mormon cosmology and reinterpreting familiar stories through a mythic lens