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Rik and Tim decided to "double dip" this episode by uploading the same show on both Storytellers Studio and Some You Should Know podcasts. We meet at Maxim's Diner in Merrillville, Indiana on January 23, 2024 during a day filled with freezing rain driving. These two guys had only known each other for about fifteen minutes after meeting at the Museum of Broadcast Communications and Radio Hall of Fame in Chicago, Illinois more than a year ago. Rik and his wife Leslie were visiting the museum while Tim and Liz Wylder were setting up for recording an episode of their Lifes3x5s podcast in the Paul Harvey Studio.

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