What does it really mean to do more good—and how can empathy spark genuine impact in our everyday lives? In this heartfelt episode of The Legendary Leaders Podcast, Cathleen O’Sullivan sits down with Neil Ghosh, social impact strategist, entrepreneur, and bestselling author of Do More Good, a book featuring voices from global icons like the Dalai Lama and Bill Clinton to everyday changemakers making a difference in their own communities.

With over three decades of experience across 50+ countries and sectors, Neil has devoted his career to one question: How can we do more good together? From his childhood lessons in empathy growing up in Calcutta to his work uniting governments, businesses, and nonprofits, Neil reveals how compassion, courage, and curiosity can transform both our lives and the world around us.

Together, Cathleen and Neil explore the framework behind his philosophy: GEMSS (Get Involved, Empower Others, Micro-Philanthropy, Show Up, Start Small) and why doing good doesn’t always require money or grand gestures. They also discuss the importance of listening to empathy’s whisper amid life’s noise, leading with authenticity, raising the next generation with kindness, and finding purpose through action.

This is a moving conversation about humanity, leadership, and how one small act of good can multiply far beyond what we imagine.

Episode Timeline:

00:00 Welcome & introduction: redefining what it means to “do more good” 01:21 Meet Neil Ghosh: author, strategist, and global changemaker 03:45 Growing up in Calcutta: limited resources, unlimited empathy 06:31 The roots of Do More Good: stories that spark hope and courage 09:19 From awareness to action: turning empathy into engagement 11:23 The GEMSS framework for everyday impact 13:52 Moving from reactive to proactive living 17:07 The power of quiet: retreats, recharge, and self-empathy 19:30 Parenting and passing on empathy to the next generation 25:15 Leadership through compassion—even after personal challenges 29:28 Career pivots: from private sector to purpose-driven impact 34:11 When purpose calls louder than comfort 37:49 Authenticity, reinvention, and living a values-led life 42:00 Why helping others might just be the secret to happiness 46:32 The multiplier effect of kindness in communities 50:20 Lessons in empathy from neighbors, colleagues, and everyday life 55:40 Leading with empathy in organizations and business 57:00 The leaders who inspire Neil—and what true empathy looks like 01:05:25 Speaking up with courage (and when silence serves the mission) 01:12:01 Channeling anger into purpose: uniting through empathy 01:14:25 Final reflections: start small, stay consistent, and listen to empathy’s whisper

Key Takeaways:

• Doing good doesn’t require wealth or influence—just intention. Begin with one act of kindness and let it ripple.

• Far from being “soft,” empathy is a strategic power for resilience, leadership, and unity.

• GEMSS Framework: Get involved, empower others, practice micro-philanthropy, show up, and start small.

• Tune out the noise of division and distraction to hear empathy’s quiet call to action.

• Whether in parenting or leadership, people learn more from what we do than what we say.

• Growth is about becoming a better version of yourself—again and again.

About Neil Ghosh: Neil Ghosh is a social impact strategist, entrepreneur, and author dedicated to amplifying empathy as a force for good. His book Do More Good—featuring stories from the Dalai Lama, Kevin Bacon, and everyday heroes—has become a #1 Amazon bestseller, inspiring individuals and organizations to lead with compassion. Over his 30-year career spanning 50 countries, Neil has worked across government, corporate, and nonprofit sectors, building bridges through purpose-driven initiatives. Today, he continues to mentor leaders, ignite conversations on empathy, and empower others to turn intention into impact.

Connect with Neil Ghosh: Website: www.neilghosh.orgBook: Do More Good – Available on Amazon

Book trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD0RtNTBb7U

LinkedIn: Neil Ghosh

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/neilghoshauthor/

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Resources Mentioned: Listen First Project: https://listenfirstproject.org Braver Angels: https://braverangels.orgFive Calls App: https://5calls.org

Connect with Cathleen O’Sullivan:

Business: https://cathleenosullivan.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cathleen-osullivan/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/legendary_leaders_cathleenos/

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