Of no-or-low beer, wine, and spirits, the latter sub-category has most underwhelmed Cess since he started his sobriety journey on January 1, 2023 – can this week's guests change his mind?

The co-hosts are joined by Michael Allen, Co-Founder of Scotland-based Naesip, producer of a non-alcoholic gin, called Munroe (much to Cess's excitement), and Casa Lumbre Spirits' Chief Innovation Officer, Iván Saldaña – aka the "spirit whisperer". He helped create Lewis Hamilton's Almave drink.

It's a jolly discussion, and one that begins after the weekly Booze News items – featuring Spider-Man actor Tom Holland's new non-alc beer brand – and a unique Just the Tonic.

Ollie and Cess would like listeners to recommend Upper Bottom to as many people as possible. The winner – verified on dodgy grounds – has been promised an Upper Bottom mug. So get sharing, and spread the good word (please)!

Booze News items:

i: The non-alcoholic beers with more sugar than a real pint (https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/non-alcoholic-beers-more-sugar-real-pint-3314006?ico=related_stories)

ABC News: Tom Holland explains how his sobriety journey inspired his new non-alcoholic beer (https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Food/tom-holland-explains-sobriety-journey-inspired-new-alcoholic/story?id=114861323)

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