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Welcome to Property Management Success, where host Tony Cline, a seasoned expert with over 20 years of experience, takes you on a journey to elevate your property management business. Whether you’re looking to scale, increase profitability, or refine your operations, Tony and his guests will provide actionable insights and strategies to help you build championship teams and hall of fame companies. Tune in to discover how to: * Boost your income and maximize your company’s profitability * Str ...
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Pay or Quit

Shawn Austin Johnson

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Welcome to Pay or Quit, the podcast for entrepreneurs and business owners who are ready to face the unfiltered truth of what it takes to succeed. Host Shawn Austin Johnson brings you a show that goes beyond the polished success stories and dives into the real, messy, and often challenging aspects of business ownership. This podcast is designed for those who sometimes feel alone in their entrepreneurial journey, struggle with imposter syndrome, and find themselves on the brink of burnout. We ...
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100 Guitarists

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Premier Guitar editors Jason Shadrick and Nick Millevoi are arguing over which 100 guitarists you should know. Together, they dig deep into each player’s catalog to uncover what makes them unique, influential, and important. Will Robert Quine make the list? Probably not. Trey Anastasio? Definitely. Listen each week as they break down iconic tracks, legendary tones, and even let the occasional guest air their grievances.
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Send us a text Shawn Johnson shares his transformation from property manager to wealthy investor and reveals how property management entrepreneurs can leverage their position to build exponential wealth through strategic property acquisition. • One owned door equals the profit of 33 managed doors • Most property managers fail to recognize the wealt…
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Nels Cline was born in California in January 1956. He started played guitar at the age of 12 and his early career is fairly jazz-based, before stretching into other directions. He has played guitar for Wilco, one of my favourite bands in the world, since 2004. He has a new solo album out on Blue Note Records entitled “Consentrik Quartet”, featuring…
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We call guitarist Adam Miller in the middle of the night in Newcastle, Australia, to find out what it’s like to play with Certified Guitar Player, Tommy Emmanuel. Miller tells us just how famous Tommy is in Australia, and what it was like hearing him play from a formative age. Eventually, Adam got to open for Emmanuel, and they’ve since shared the …
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Send us a text The most successful property management companies identify their ideal client profile and focus on building systems specifically designed to serve them rather than trying to be everything to everyone. • Outbound lead generation remains highly effective despite technological changes • Most BDMs will avoid making sales calls if given a…
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Send us a text The dangers of becoming too comfortable in business, warning that complacency can lead to failure. A quick-fire challenge with five crucial questions to determine if your business is on the path to growth or just surviving. Topics include systematizing and delegating, regular price adjustments, focusing on strategic work, taking calc…
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Send us a text Mark joins Tony to discuss a recent one-star review and the valuable lessons learned about client relationships in property management. • Breaking down a negative review situation that occurred when an owner relationship went sideways • Examining the policy that allows owners to handle their own rent-ready work and why it creates pro…
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Growing up in the small town of Montesano, Washington, Kurt Cobain turned to his older pal Buzz Osborne for musical direction. So on this episode, we’re talking with the Melvins leader about their friendship, from taking Cobain to see Black Flag in ’84 to their shared guitar journey and how they both thought about gear. And in case you’ve heard oth…
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Send us a text Mark Brower and Tony Cline explore how property managers can differentiate themselves in a crowded market through personal branding and content creation. They discuss the transformative power of finding your authentic voice and sharing expertise to build trust at scale with potential clients. • The realization that everyone is fundam…
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Send us a text Traditional property management is facing disruption as AI technology, wealth transfer, and housing affordability create an industry inflection point similar to major business transformations like Netflix overtaking Blockbuster. Pablo Gonzalez of Vendoroo discusses how embracing AI-native solutions will fundamentally change the value…
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Send us a text The constant barrage of new technologies, tools, and strategies in property management can easily lead business owners astray. In this thought-provoking conversation, we dive into the critical importance of maintaining a clear vision while navigating innovation and change. Many entrepreneurs fall victim to "shiny object syndrome" aft…
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Send us a text The real estate industry often celebrates size—door count, revenue, market share—but what if success looked different? What if it meant building a boutique management company that prioritizes quality over quantity and allows you to design the life you actually want? Mike Goldstein, founder of HubKey Real Estate in downtown Philadelph…
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Joni Mitchell’s rich, colorful altered-tuning chord voicings have set her work apart in its own musical universe, where the rest of us guitarists either scratch our heads in wonder or have to do dissertation-level research to unpack just how she gets her sound. Dawes guitarist and songwriter Taylor Goldsmith gained firsthand experience with Mitchel…
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Send us a text In this episode of Property Management Success, host Tony Cline welcomes Karen Jordan of HBR Rentals for a masterclass in intentional growth, remote team leadership, and process optimization. 🌍💼 Karen shares her journey from solo operator to leading a fully remote team, why community engagement still matters, how she implements accou…
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Growing up in Australia, guitarist Jedd Hughes tells us he dreamed of playing in Vince Gill’s band as far back as elementary school. Now, he lives in Nashville and stands next to the man himself on stage night after night. We’ve invited Jedd to join us on this episode of 100 Guitarists to talk about just what makes Vince’s playing so special. Jedd …
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Send us a text Pete Neubig, former co-founder of Empire Industries and current CEO of VPM Solutions, shares his transformative journey from property management company owner to helping businesses connect with virtual teams across 120+ countries. • Building a property management company with evolving vision from owning 500 homes to third-party manag…
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Send us a text Nicholas Cook shares how Sleep Sound Property Management has created a successful business model in Portland's highly regulated property management environment by focusing on reputation, content creation, and operational excellence. He details their journey from struggling with regulations to leveraging them as opportunities through …
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Wolfgang Flür was born in Frankfurt in 1947 but moved to Düsseldorf in the early ‘50s, which has been home ever since. As a young man he played in the band The Sprits Of Sound, and studied to be an architect, hoping to get into interior design. Wolfgang joined Kraftwerk in 1973 and plays on one of the most remarkable album runs in pop music history…
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Send us a text Imagine taking the chaos of running a property management or real estate business and transforming it into a laser-focused operation that practically prints money. That's exactly what Sean Moudry, bestselling author and one of the top real estate coaches in the industry, unpacks in this riveting conversation. Sean's journey from sell…
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There’s a good chance that if you’re a guitar fan, you’ve seen Nathaniel Murphy’s gear demos—either on his Instagram account, where he goes by @zeppelinbarnatra, or on the Chicago Music Exchange page. His solo arrangements of classic tunes display his next-level technique and knack for clever arranging, and he makes our jaws drop every time he post…
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Send us a text Running a property management business shares striking similarities with ultra running—both require mental toughness, strategic decision-making, and the ability to persevere through pain points. Mark and Tony explore how coaching provides crucial support in both realms by transferring confidence and accountability when you need it mo…
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Angus Clark is an expert of all things Tony Iommi, and he has the gear to prove it! The Trans-Siberian Orchestra and Rock of Ages guitarist shows us a couple sweet Iommi tribute SGs as he walks us through Black Sabbath’s discography, breaking down Iommi’s vocabulary, sound, and gear, and how Iommi created some of the most identifiable riffs in all …
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Send us a text Cody Reeder shares his journey from real estate investor with four duplexes to managing over 900 properties while building a separate maintenance company and maintaining his passion for ultra-running. He reveals how initially trying to survive on management fees alone wasn't sustainable until he discovered additional revenue streams …
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Send us a text Mastering Social Media Branding with Drea Buer: Insights from Respect the Brand In this episode, Shawn welcomes Drea Buer, branding expert and founder of Respect the Brand. Drea shares her journey from various jobs to becoming a successful branding professional. The discussion covers the importance of personal branding, tips on conte…
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Send us a text Entrepreneurship doesn't have to be lonely when you create meaningful connections with people who are willing to support you through challenges. We explore how vulnerability and authenticity become powerful tools for building your business support network. • Finding your "crew" who will respond with "when and what time" when you need…
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Send us a text Why Your Business Is Worth Nothing Until You Fix These Issues In this episode of the Payer Quit podcast, Shawn Austin Johnson discusses the harsh reality that many businesses are unsellable and essentially valueless until critical issues are addressed. Drawing from personal experience and examples, Shawn outlines three key strategies…
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Wendy James is tied up with some of my earlier memories of music. She fronted the band Transvision Vamp, who were hard to ignore in the late 80s. Songs like “I Want Your Love” and “Baby I Don’t Care” were pretty big hits over here. Transvision Vamp split in the early 90s and since then Wendy has persuaded various solo projects. Interestingly her fi…
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From a young age, Derek Trucks was destined for guitar greatness. Growing up around the Allman Brothers scene, he had the greatest schooling any aspiring slide player could hope for. But his playing exceeded just about any expectations, high though they were, as he brought in a vast range of influences and ambition and cemented himself as one of th…
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Send us a text Jared Larkin, Denver's "Mile High Title Guy," shares how he transformed his title insurance career by providing marketing value to real estate professionals, creating an attraction-based business model rather than chasing clients. • Standing out in commoditized industries requires providing unique value beyond the basic service • Hos…
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Send us a text Melissa Sharone shares her insights on how to effectively grow a property management business, emphasizing the importance of focus on quality over quantity in terms of clients. Understanding the target client profile plays a crucial role in aligning services with client needs. Transitioning ownership is discussed as a framework for s…
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On this episode of 100 Guitarists, we’re talking about Pat Metheny. He’s one of the most commercially successful jazz guitarists to pick up the instrument, and he’s covered a lot of ground throughout his long career. Swinging jazz albums? Check. Arrangement-focused, production-heavy collaborative band records? Check. Noise guitar albums, free jazz …
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Send us a text In this engaging episode of the Property Management Success Podcast, we explore the vital role of leadership in navigating the complex world of business mergers. Join host Tony Klein as he sits down with Matthew Kammeyer from Five Star Property Management to discuss the thrilling yet challenging journey of combining two successful fi…
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Send us a text Dive into a transformative conversation that balances emotional safety and accountability in the workplace. In this episode, Tony Cline and Mark Brower uncover critical insights from an exit interview that reveal how workplace dynamics can shape the employee experience. As they explore the concept of an idea meritocracy where the bes…
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Pat Arnold has had quite a life. Born in 1946 she grew up in LA, and was in an abusive marriage with two kids while still a teenager. In 1965 she got a chance to audition for Ike and Tina Turner’s band as an “Ikette”. She got the gig and left her children in the care of her parents. This eventually took her to London where she fell into the orbit o…
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With a career that extends over 60 years, where do you begin? Jason and Nick tackle Clapton’s extensive discography and try to suss out the different eras of his career. They dive into Cream, his ’70s country-rock phase, the Armani Strat vibes in the ’80s, and so much more. And of course, no discussion of Clapton can be without deep looks into Dere…
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Send us a text Figure this out, and your business will thrive. In this episode of 'Pay or Quit,' host Shawn Austin Johnson dives deep into the real challenges of business and relationships with special guest Peter Hernandez, founder of mypmh.com. From discussing the importance of culture and relationships in business to navigating the toughest mome…
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Send us a text Breaking mental barriers is key to unlocking growth in property management. Through community building, engaging marketing strategies, and embracing technology, Mark Ainley illustrates how staying flexible and committed leads to success in this competitive landscape. • Understanding the impact of mental roadblocks • Importance of com…
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Send us a text This podcast episode explores the transformation of landlords into savvy investors through a shift in mindset from property management to asset management. By emphasizing education and emotional support, property managers can unlock potential and create wealth for their clients. • Discussing the transition from property management to…
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In the ’80s, Peter Buck’s clean, chime-y arpeggios defined the sound of alt-rock to come. From the band’s start, his post-Roger McGuinn 12-string style served as the foundation for the band’s simple, plain-spoken approach, offering a fresh take on what an independent band could be and inspiring generations of artists to come. Buck not only found hi…
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Send us a text In this episode of Pay or Quit, I’m sharing the most powerful quotes I’ve collected over 12 years—wisdom that has shaped my journey as an entrepreneur. From legendary leaders to personal insights, these lessons will challenge your mindset, help you navigate risk, and push you toward financial and business success. Don’t just listen—t…
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Send us a text This episode explores Brandon Schulten's transformative journey in property management, highlighting his successful transition from managing a handful of properties to overseeing a thriving firm. Key discussions include the importance of leadership, the evolution of client profiles, and the value of marketing strategies such as podca…
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Send us a text This podcast episode addresses the impact of team turnover in property management and how to transform challenges into opportunities for growth. The hosts explore the significance of mental resilience, the importance of maintaining focus amidst distractions, and the value of accountability in leadership. • Discussing unexpected chall…
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Nadia Reid is a singer-songwriter born and raised in New Zealand, before recently relocating to Manchester. She’s just released her fourth album “Enter Now Brightness”. We take a deep dive into the album, and our conversation ends up encompassing motherhood, relocation, generational trauma, faith; it goes to some deep places. I really hope you enjo…
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Neil Young’s ’70s hits are some of the most recognizable radio rock jams of all time. But Neil’s guitar playing continued to grow over the ensuing decades, as he traversed styles from blues to country to electronic to rockabilly and beyond, eventually developing one of the most tonally decadent, fully formed improvisational voices in the entire gui…
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Send us a text Practical strategies for entrepreneurs to deploy their profits while growing their wealth. Shawn Johnson shares a recent mentoring session he had with a friend who sought his advice on a current financial decision he was facing and his mindsets and strategies needed to achieve financial freedom. He shares insightful anecdotes and act…
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Send us a text Stacey McKay shares her nearly 40-year journey in property management, highlighting the importance of resilience, relationship-building, and adapting to challenges like natural disasters. Her experiences reveal strategies for successful business development while emphasizing the role of soft skills in enhancing client interactions. •…
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Send us a text The podcast delivers profound insights on embracing failure as an essential part of the entrepreneurial journey. It emphasizes the power of vulnerability, the necessity of feedback, and the role of a supportive board in guiding business growth. • Learning through struggles shapes successful entrepreneurs • Vulnerability fosters deepe…
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There’s no disputing the influence B.B. King has had on the history of electric guitar music. With Lucille in hand—as well as other guitars—he carved out his sound by developing a signature one-of-a-kind vibrato and pick attack. His note choice, phrasing, and feel have basically become the fundamental vocabulary of electric blues. Even more than an…
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Send us a text Long-term thinking in marketing strategies is essential for property management success. In this episode, Stephen Fox shares insights on lead generation, the importance of a strong online presence, and maintaining consistent marketing efforts. • Thinking in decades for business growth • The significance of a quality website in attrac…
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Send us a text Balancing Success: Career, Relationships, and Entrepreneurship with Berenice Brito Shawn Johnson, along with his guest, Berenice Brito, discuss the misconception that success in career and relationships can't coexist. Joined by guest Berenice Brito, a nurse turned coach, they explore overcoming limiting beliefs, the importance of set…
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