“You do you, and do it the best way you can." In this episode, Nick speaks with Renee Zukin about her journey, the role of technology in creativity, and the challenges of adult friendships. They discuss the importance of embracing vulnerability, the tools for self-mastery, and the significance of celebrating small wins as well as finding small ways to be brave every day. What to listen for: Embracing vulnerability is essential for personal growth. Writing is a powerful tool for processing thoughts and emotions. Self-compassion is crucial in the journey of self-mastery. Celebrating small wins can motivate further progress. Bravery exists on a spectrum; every small step counts. Inner work is necessary for creating positive change in the world. “How can I show up for myself, my people in the microcosm of my world so that it becomes reflected and ripples out into the macrocosm?” Real change starts small. The way you show up in your daily life creates a wider impact. Self-awareness and intentional action create ripple effects far beyond what we can see. Community begins with how we treat ourselves and those closest to us. Global transformation often starts with personal alignment and integrity. “One of the reasons why life can be so hard is because we're so trained to ignore our innate signals.” We’ve learned to override our instincts and emotions to “fit in.” Ignoring your intuition leads to burnout, confusion, and disconnection. Our bodies and emotions often know the truth before our minds do. Relearning how to listen to yourself can make life flow more easily. Healing begins when you trust your inner signals instead of silencing them. About Renee Zukin Renee is an author, educator, coach, and mental health advocate doing the inner work to see outer change. She has more than 20 years of experience in education, writing, and entrepreneurship, and has studied multiple psychological and healing modalities that have sustained her and helped support her students and clients alike. She is passionate about cultivating a safe space for others to use the written word and organizational structures as tools for self-transformation and empowerment. Renee is also the author of the new book, Every Day, I'm Brave: Cultivating Resilience to Gain Freedom from Fear (Wonderwell Press, 2025). https://www.reneezukin.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/rzukin/ https://www.instagram.com/reneezukin/ https://www.amazon.com/Every-Day-Brave-Cultivating-Resilience/dp/1963827252 Resources: Interested in starting your own podcast or need help with one you already have? https://themindsetandselfmasteryshow.com/podcasting-services/ Thank you for listening! Please subscribe on iTunes and give us a 5-Star review! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-mindset-and-self-mastery-show/id1604262089 Listen to other episodes here: https://themindsetandselfmasteryshow.com/ Watch Clips and highlights: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk1tCM7KTe3hrq_-UAa6GHA Guest Inquiries right here: [email protected] Your Friends at “The Mindset & Self-Mastery Show” Click Here To View The Episode Transcript Nick McGowan (00:01.464)Hello and welcome to the Mindset and Self Mastery Show. I'm your host Nick McGowan. Today on the show we have Renee Zukin. Renee, how you doing today? Renee Zukin (00:11.06)I'm doing fantastic, Nick, so excited to be here. Nick McGowan (00:14.188)Yeah, I'm excited too. I think it's going to be great. Why don't you get us started. Tell us what you do for a living and what's one thing most people don't know about you that's maybe a little odd or bizarre. Renee Zukin (00:22.478)Love this question. Well, I'm a writer. I'm an educator. Currently, I coach entrepreneurs in digital online marketing, which is a lot of fun. And one thing that most people don't know about me, I actually recorded an album back in 2011. Yes, yes. It was my first foray into songwriting and the band I had curated was called Collectible Boys. it started out as a poetry and essay writing project and it turned into an album. So, you you never know where the spirit's going to take you. Nick McGowan (01:08.408)Nice. Nick McGowan (01:15.02)Yeah, literally. that's cool. mean, as a musician, I've already told you, now I have loads of questions about what kind of music, where did you record, and how did you find the studio musicians, and what did you play, and what did you not play, and what is it all about, you know? So feel free to share any of that if you'd like. Renee Zukin (01:21.518)Mm-hmm. Renee Zukin (01:25.518)Yeah, yeah, it was a lot of fun. started out just really wanting to play music and I did need to get musicians to actually help me curate the music underneath because for me, I was writing lyrics and I had melodies and you know, I only have a few years of piano lessons as a kid under my belt. So I knew I needed the the heavy hitters to come in and help create it underneath. And I did, I collected some amazing local musicians who've played in multiple bands and knew what they were doing. And we played out for a couple of years and I was like, we need to record this. And we did it in one weekend. So it was definitely a whirlwind and a lot of fun. Nick McGowan (02:12.584)Thanks Nick McGowan (02:19.576)And I love that sort of stuff. And especially like people listen to albums or they'll listen to a new song that comes out. You might think like, this is great. And these people just keep putting these things out like any bands that put out new albums. It's like, but we have no idea the amount of time and effort and energy that every single one of them put into figuring out what do we do? How do we do it? And I think oftentimes people forget about the sometimes the fifth or sixth member of the band. producer and the one who's actually recording everything. And I said this to you before we started even recording this, that sometimes the answers that will come out of that initial question will kind of alter the way that the conversations go. And I think this may be one of those situations. Like as a musician, I've been having conversations with people recently that have been using AI and Renee Zukin (02:49.646)Right? Yeah. Renee Zukin (03:03.516)Yeah. Renee Zukin (03:11.266)Mmm. Nick McGowan (03:13.309)if you, somebody who has a few years of piano lessons from X amount of years ago, and you have ideas and some melodies and you go, well, I want the drums to sound like, whatever, like you just make noises. Like you can't really do that. guess, well, Timbaland made a whole career out of making noises and putting in the records, but that's one person. Renee Zukin (03:26.168)Right. Renee Zukin (03:30.478)Yeah Nick McGowan (03:36.329)I think it's interesting how there's technology that helps us with things but can also really hinder us. I have a good friend of mine who writes music constantly, plays acoustic, sings, and he can mess around on some other instruments, but his main thing is like first second position of acoustic, singer-songwriter type stuff, and using AI at times to help with a backing band. Like I can understand going that direction because the resource is there, but I Renee Zukin (03:41.784)Mm-hmm. Renee Zukin (04:05.666)Mm-hmm. Nick McGowan (04:06.184)I that also can hurt us from being creative and stretching those muscles and being more brave in the confusing things. Like you sit down on the piano and go, I'm fucking fine, middle C, K, triad, you know, like instead of going, well, here, this is the thing I want. And as somebody who, like you didn't have AI in 2011. Renee Zukin (04:11.317)and Renee Zukin (04:17.704)Yeah. Renee Zukin (04:29.55)No I didn't. Nick McGowan (04:31.424)you had to find people to actually be musicians with you, work through that stuff, what are your thoughts, what are your feelings with that sort of stuff? Renee Zukin (04:35.458)Mm-hmm. This is great. I because I think it's similar to also to writing in general. Obviously we can use. Yeah. And I think what you're speaking to is this opportunity for our own creativity to allow us to learn and grow like when we get stuck. Okay. So I, you know, my skills and here I want to play around, but also the Nick McGowan (04:45.94)Yeah, big time. Renee Zukin (05:05.996)opportunity to connect with other people who do have those skills and have the conversations and get to really play and modify and modulate music and the piece in different ways. And I think actually you could even say this with all kinds of art. Like I am not like, I'm a firm believer that AI and its ability to help us create can save us a lot of time, save us a lot of energy. There's ways in which it's a great tool to have and there's ways in which we can teach it how to be a better AI partner. So I'm definitely all in and playing the game and I think that we also have to balance that out with our own boredom, our own limits. our ability to get creative, to connect with other people and have a, you know, more of a co-creation. So I'm definitely not an either or, but I certainly lean towards, you know, the authentic human experience can create something that a machine cannot. Nick McGowan (06:23.318)Sure. Well, so I think most of the people listening to this podcast are probably around our age. Like, I'm gonna say, looking specifically at the demographic numbers that I have, it's about 25 to 55, but it's heavier in the 35 to 45 range. I have conversations with people I haven't said to you. I like, I've got four or five friends at this point. That's about true that like I consistently have a relationship with and I work on those outside of my partner and you know, things like that. as we get older and that friend that I was talking to, he's like, well,