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They came for Visual Effects, but stayed for coffee shop politics. On this episode Mo chats with fellow creative, and friend, Matt Lathrom. Agencies thin out while indie film gets louder, scrappier, and—somehow—more fun. Lathrom, a multi-hyphenate VFX artist and producer whose credits include HBO, Netflix, and a growing list of indie features aiming at Sundance. Together they get candid about the gap between plan and reality, the strange relief of admitting you’re done for the day, and the gravity of trust when deadlines tighten.
Mo & Matt pull apart what makes creative collaboration work: leaders who ask questions instead of prescribing, teams that reward taste over tweaks, and the difference between micromanagement and meaningful direction. Matt shares where he finds the most freedom on set and in post, why some shows invite you to invent while others reduce you to a cursor, and how letting go can unlock better work. They also look upstream, at the industry’s bigger shifts—studio consolidation, the indie boom’s artistic payoff but thinner paychecks, and the evergreen tug-of-war between art and business that dates back to Wenders, Lucas, and Spielberg.
This is part 1
TIMESTAMPS, BABY
0:00 – Matt
2:36 – Sundance
6:48 – Meltdowns
9:06 – Time vs Reality
15:10 – Perfectionism
18:10 – Client vs Personal
26:20 – Dry Spells
32:20 – Community
36:40 – Recession
52:12 – AI (The Horror. The Brilliance! The Audacity)
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Chapters
1. Meet Matt, VFX and Multihyphenate (00:00:00)
2. Juggling Indie Projects for Sundance (00:02:36)
3. Freelance Rhythm and ADHD Workflow (00:04:13)
4. Creative Meltdown Over a Painting (00:06:48)
5. Estimating Time vs Reality in Craft (00:09:06)
6. Knowing When To Stop or Push (00:12:12)
7. Discipline vs Perfectionism Clash (00:15:10)
8. Personal Projects vs Client Work (00:18:10)
9. ScriptSlug and Life Detours (00:22:07)
10. Full‑Bodied Life and Dry Spells (00:26:20)
11. Serving, Community, and Small Goods (00:29:15)
12. Coffee Shops, Vibes, and Capitalism (00:32:20)
13. The Quiet Creative Recession (00:36:40)
14. Indie Boom: Fulfillment vs Pay (00:39:08)
15. Consolidation and Studio Mergers (00:41:46)
16. Eternal Push‑Pull: Art and Business (00:44:24)
17. Patrons, Self‑Funding, and Platforms (00:48:20)
18. Tech Titans, Space, and Spectacle (00:52:12)
19. Creative Trust and Feedback Styles (00:55:12)
20. Power Dynamics in Collaboration (00:59:20)
21. AI Hype, Mockups, and Limits (01:03:20)
22. Energy Costs and AI Economics (01:07:22)
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