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Two Shrinks and a Mic

Dr. Andrew Rosen & Dr. David Gross

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Psychologist Dr. Andrew Rosen and psychiatrist Dr. David Gross bring over 30 years of friendship and mental health experience to the mic. Each episode breaks down topics like anxiety, depression, and relationships into real talk you can actually use. Honest, insightful, and easy to understand—this is the conversation about mental health you've been waiting for.
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Voices in Health and Wellness is a podcast spotlighting the founders, practitioners, and innovators redefining what care looks like today. Hosted by Andrew Greenland, each episode features honest conversations with leaders building purpose-driven wellness brands — from sauna studios and supplements to holistic clinics and digital health. Designed for entrepreneurs, clinic owners, and health professionals, this series cuts through the noise to explore what’s working, what’s changing, and what ...
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Jared Durden and Andrew Crocker set out to meet their coworkers at Ozarks Technical Community College. Each episodes introduces a new member of the college who teaches Jared and Andrew something they didn't know before. Join Jared and Andrew on their adventure as they learn about a broad range of fascinating topics, their colleagues, and maybe even friendship.
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Send us a text Men shouldn’t have to accept midlife decline as a foregone conclusion. We sit down with Dr Dan Leach—GP, health systems consultant, and founder of Valence Health—to unpack how evidence-based optimisation, honest conversations, and smart tracking can restore clarity, energy, and connection for men in their forties, fifties, and beyond…
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Send us a text A life insurance denial at 33 can feel like a verdict. For Anthony Masiello, it became a turning point that led to losing 160 pounds, reversing multiple conditions, and ultimately building Lifestyle Telemedicine—a national platform where board‑certified physicians deliver lifestyle‑first, evidence‑based care through telehealth. We ta…
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Send us a text In this episode of Two Shrinks & A Mic, Dr. Andrew Rosen and Dr. David Gross explorewhy ADHD and anxiety disorders are so often confused. They break down busy thoughts, racing thoughts, obsessive loops, and the difference between pseudo ADHD and true ADHD that begins in childhood. They also explain how obsessive anxiety can mimic att…
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Send us a text Tap into Two Shrinks and A Mic as Dr. Andrew Rosen and Dr. David Gross break down the real difference between everyday obsessive habits and true obsessive compulsive disorder. They explain how traits become disorders, why the brain craves certainty, and how overthinking, hypervigilance, and catastrophic thinking can take over daily l…
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Send us a text In this episode of Two Shrinks and a Mic, Dr. Andrew Rosen and Dr. David Gross explore obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) and the thinking patterns that keep people trapped in endless loops of worry, checking, and self-doubt. They explain what distinguishes OCD from everyday overthinking, why uncertainty feels unbearable for those w…
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Send us a text What does a sustainable medical career look like when the pager never really goes silent? We sit down with Dr Charles Pollock to chart an uncommon route through Navy service, emergency departments, academic leadership, and a radical rethink of continuing education. His story starts with a military scholarship and a formative tour wit…
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Send us a text What if mental health treated prevention like medicine treats cholesterol—something you build for, measure, and maintain before the crisis? We sit down with Dr Joanna Rosen, a clinical psychologist and trauma consultant, to explore how the nervous system handles overwhelm, why symptoms are the body’s attempt to protect you, and how a…
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Send us a text Painful periods, vulvar pain, and feeling dismissed by the system don’t have to be a life sentence. Functional medicine practitioner Leslie Jones explains why women’s pelvic health is so often misunderstood—and how a root cause approach can transform relentless pain without rushing to surgery. Leslie shares her recovery from severe L…
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Send us a text The stories we tell about care shape whether families reach out—and what happens when they do. Child psychotherapist and founder Helen James joins us to unpack the quiet crisis in youth mental health, the rise in teen anxiety since lockdowns, and the hard truth that trust takes time. She explains why six or twelve sessions rarely cut…
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Send us a text Privacy, speed, and real human connection can coexist online—when the system is built with intention. We sit down with Rotem Moshe, executive clinical director at Stepstone Connect, to unpack how telehealth is reshaping mental health care for first responders, rural communities, and anyone who needs therapy to fit life, not the other…
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Send us a text Feeling pressured to “have it all together” after birth? We sit down with Dr Ana Irazabal DeSanchez—licensed clinical social worker, doctor of social work and certified perinatal mental health professional—to unpack what truly supports families during conception, pregnancy, loss and postpartum. Drawing on her story as an immigrant fr…
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Send us a text In this insightful episode of Two Shrinks & A Mic, Dr. Andrew Rosen and Dr. David Gross break down one of the most common yet misunderstood conditions—social anxiety disorder. They explain how it differs from shyness, introversion, or antisocial behavior, and why it’s become increasingly prevalent in today’s post-pandemic, social med…
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Send us a text If you could cut months of waiting into minutes of meaningful help, how much would outcomes improve? We sit down with Peter Grinbergs, co-founder of EQL and former elite sport physio, to unpack how musculoskeletal care can be faster, safer, and more equitable when data, design, and clinicians work together. Peter traces the path from…
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Send us a text The headlines say ADHD is “everywhere.” We ask why it took so long to see it. Dr Antonietta Pirello, consultant clinical psychologist and founder of the Spectrum Clinic, joins us to map the real forces behind rising diagnoses: updated DSM‑5 criteria, long‑ignored inattentive presentations, and a culture that is only now recognising h…
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Send us a text Burnout thrives in the space between good intentions and leaky boundaries—and that’s exactly where we go with licensed acupuncturist and zero balancing teacher, Ben Fleisher. From early studies in Buddhism and meditation to founding Woodstock Healing Arts in upstate New York, Ben shows how grounded rituals and collaborative care can …
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Send us a text Walk into a busy independent optician and you’ll feel it right away: the pace, the care, the quiet choreography that makes a complex clinic look effortless. Helena Stengel, a dispensing optician and director of a 90-year-old UK practice, takes us behind the counter to show how authentic communication and advanced technology can coexi…
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Send us a text Psychiatrist Dr. David Gross and psychologist Dr. Andrew Rosen explore the complex world of sleep—why it’s so hard to get, how stress and overstimulation keep us up at night, and why good sleep hygiene is essential for mental health. From doom-scrolling to over-the-counter sleep aids, the doctors break down what’s really sabotaging y…
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Send us a text What if healing looked less like a waiting room and more like a community hub filled with movement, mindfulness, and real-world support? That’s the vision Tim Massaquoi brings as Executive Director of a recovery centre serving families after a mass shooting in Southwest Philadelphia. His journey from the NFL to psychotherapy and lead…
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Send us a text In this insightful episode of Two Shrinks & A Mic, Dr. Andrew Rosen and Dr. David Gross explore how true healing from anxiety requires a balanced partnership between psychotherapy and psychiatry. They share real-life examples from their practices and unpack the science of how our brains rewire through active learning, practice, and c…
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Send us a text What if the fix for “non-adherence” isn’t motivation, but the size of the next step? We sit down with Dr John Oberg of Precina Health to unpack a protocol that treats the whole person and then shrinks change until success is likely. Starting with medication correctness and adherence, and only then moving to lifestyle when someone is …
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Send us a text A car accident in her teens didn’t just change Dr Suzie Bergman’s life; it changed her field. After years of surgeries and a total TMJ joint replacement, Suzie turned personal pain into a mission to rebuild how we care for orofacial pain—by uniting dentistry with medicine, sleep, rehabilitation, and behavioural health. We dig into wh…
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Send us a text What if healthcare could keep more people in good work, not just treat them after they fall out of it? Dr Karen Wallace, GP and Director of Clinical Partnerships at Maximus UK, takes us inside disability medicine and functional assessments, where the focus shifts from diagnosis to day‑to‑day function and real‑world capability. Across…
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Send us a text What if half the fracture clinic queue never needed to be there at all? We sit down with a veteran hand and upper limb surgeon whose career spans elite sport, complex wrist trauma, and a passion for redesigning care so patients get help faster, safer, and with far less hassle. From the early days of noticing waste in patient pathways…
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Send us a text A single two-hour session that left more questions than answers became the catalyst for change. We sit down with The Soke founder Maryam Meddin to trace how a painful first brush with psychotherapy pushed her to redesign the entire care journey around human dignity, safety, and clarity. From the first phone call to the moment a clien…
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Send us a text Sleep shouldn’t demand that parents ignore their instincts. We sit down with Emma Gawne, a certified sleep coach and founder of Help Baby Sleep, to unpack a humane, evidence-based approach that respects infant biology, attachment, and the realities of family life. Emma’s personal journey through poor guidance and postnatal depression…
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Send us a text The gap between fear and freedom is often smaller than it feels. We sit down with therapist and coach Jonny Baker to unpack how integrative hypnotherapy, NLP, guided meditation, and psychotherapy principles combine to help people move from spirals of anxiety into steadier, more connected lives. Johnny’s route from art school to hypno…
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Send us a text Feeling flat, foggy, or unlike yourself is not a personality flaw. It can be a hormone story hiding in plain sight. We sit down with Dr Zak Zafrani, a GP with a specialist focus on men’s health, to unpack why testosterone deficiency is often missed, how stigma keeps men quiet, and what a safe, evidence-based path forward looks like w…
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Send us a text For many, that first therapy session is one of the hardest steps toward healing. In this episode, Dr. Andrew Rosen and Dr. David Gross talk about what it’s really like to walk into a mental health professional’s office for the first time. From breaking old stereotypes about “shrinks” to explaining how trust and hope begin to form, th…
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Send us a text A bigger ad budget won’t fix a leaky back door. Dr Larry Stanleigh joins us to show how sustainable growth in healthcare comes from relationships, not campaigns—and why most clinics overspend on SEO while underinvesting in trust. Larry’s path spans general dentistry, cosmetic work, periodontal care, and a deep niche in orofacial pain…
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Send us a text What if therapy could feel lighter, calmer, and more grounded—without losing depth? We sit down with psychotherapist, trainer, and author Ruthie Smith to explore a practical way of working that brings the mind, body, and subtle energy into one coherent process. Ruthie shares how a formative career in psychoanalysis evolved after one …
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Send us a text A wave of teen distress has swept through otherwise loving, intact families—panic attacks, self-harm, school avoidance—without the trauma histories clinicians typically expect. Psychotherapist and parent coach Nicole Runyon traces a common thread: unbounded devices and a culture that prizes comfort over challenge. We dive into how th…
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Send us a text What does it take to build a modern allergy and immunology clinic that actually moves the needle for patients? We sit down with Dr Loren Isakson, founder of North Star Allergy, Asthma and Immunology, to unpack the choices behind a lean telemedicine launch, a thoughtful pivot to in-person care, and a day-to-day practice that treats sn…
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Send us a text What if “work-life balance” isn’t a tug of war at all, but a single timeline you learn to steer? That’s the lens Dr Sharon Winters brings to four decades in psychiatry, blending rigorous medicine with a deeply human, relationship-first approach that feels increasingly rare. We sit down with the board-certified psychiatrist and child …
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Send us a text What if CPAP success isn’t about willpower, but design? We sit down with nurse practitioner and founder Carissa Hankins to explore a coaching-first model that finally makes therapy tolerable, personal and effective for people living with obstructive sleep apnoea. From the first “why does this mask leak?” to the moment the data actual…
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Send us a text A stage 3 cancer diagnosis during dental school could have ended a career before it began. For Dr Alesia Walsh, it lit a fuse that now powers four paediatric dental clinics serving mostly underserved families across Northeastern Pennsylvania—without sacrificing kindness, safety or standards. We talk about why she traded a big‑city ca…
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Send us a text What if the real breakthrough in heart care isn’t a new drug, but a new way of listening? Cardiologist Monica Moaghan joins us from Enniskillen to unpack how modern cardiology can be both high-tech and deeply human—combining CT coronary angiography, strong GP partnerships, and practical prevention to stop cardiac events before they s…
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Send us a text Depression is one of the most commonly misunderstood mental health conditions, often confused with unhappiness or temporary sadness. In this episode, Dr. David Gross and Dr. Andrew Rosen break down the differences between normal mood shifts and clinical depression. They explore how depression shows up in daily life, why it can feel l…
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Send us a text After a short hiatus, Oh, That’s Cool! is back! Jared and Andrew sit down with Nathan Cassidy, longtime OTC communications faculty member and advisor for The Eagle, OTC’s newly relaunched student-run newspaper. Nathan shares insights on teaching public speaking, navigating media’s rapid changes, and guiding students as they bring cam…
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Send us a text What does it take to build a cosmetic surgery practice that attracts patients from Dubai, Paris, and beyond? Dr. Ryan Diepenbrock reveals the journey behind Renewed Look becoming an international destination for facial aesthetics. Starting as a side practice during his military career, Dr. Diepenbrock leveraged his multi-specialty tr…
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Send us a text Hair loss isn't simply a cosmetic issue—it's a legitimate medical condition that deserves proper diagnosis and treatment. Dr. Amy Vowler, Managing Director at Hair GP and experienced physician with extensive clinical background spanning neurodisability and youth health services, brings a refreshingly holistic approach to hair restora…
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Send us a text What happens when your greatest personal crisis becomes your professional mission? Ruth Cooper Dixon's powerful journey from experiencing workplace panic attacks to founding a consultancy that transforms corporate wellbeing cultures offers fascinating insights for leaders and individuals alike. Ruth bridges psychology, business leade…
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Send us a text What happens when a health crisis leads to profound personal and professional transformation? Marina Livis' path from speech therapy student to holistic psychotherapist illuminates how conventional medicine can miss crucial connections between body imbalances and mental health symptoms. Marina's story begins with a suspicion about he…
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Send us a text How often do you think about the light surrounding you right now? Far beyond illuminating your space, that light is actively shaping your health in profound ways most of us never consider. Dr. Martin Moore-Ede, pioneering Harvard researcher who first identified the circadian clock in the human brain, reveals why your "light diet" des…
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Send us a text In this episode of Two Shrinks & A Mic, Dr. Andrew Rosen and Dr. David Gross explore the meaning of hope and why it feels missing for so many people today. They reflect on how depression, anxiety, and isolation often stem from a lack of future vision, meaningfulness, and human connection. Through stories from clinical practice, resea…
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Send us a text How do we transform men's mental health in a world where vulnerability is often seen as weakness? Gavin Thorpe, co-founder of Talk Club, shares the remarkable journey of creating a mental fitness movement that's changing how men approach emotional wellbeing. From a small gathering of five men in a Bristol pub to over 150 groups natio…
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Send us a text Dr. Andrew Rosen and Dr. David Gross open the clinic door and talk candidly about what it is really like to help people heal. They unpack the slow and nonlinear nature of recovery, the stock market analogy for progress, and why patience and hope matter when relief is not instant. They explore the limits of quick fixes like tranquiliz…
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Send us a text Transformation—not just procedures—sits at the heart of Modern Body Clinic's approach to aesthetics and wellness. Founder Dr. Mark Carter joins us to reveal how he's built a thriving practice that balances clinical excellence with operational sustainability and practitioner wellbeing. From his Phoenix clinic, Dr. Carter shares fascin…
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Send us a text We are re-airing this important episode of Two Shrinks & A Mic where Dr. David Gross and Dr. Andrew Rosen take a deep dive into the complexities of anxiety. From the evolutionary role of the amygdala to the rise of health anxiety and obsessive compulsive disorder, they explore why our brains are wired to remember fear more vividly th…
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Send us a text What if you could get the same high-quality medical imaging at half the price? Dr. Kristen Dickerson turned this question into a nationwide healthcare revolution when she founded Green Imaging after watching hospital acquisitions triple imaging prices overnight in her community. The radiologist-entrepreneur discovered a powerful insi…
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